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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim-

Much of what you say is right on target.  The Patent Office cannot search much because it was never patented, but I think you are missing the bigger picture.  Large software companies never (or almost never) enforce their patents against others with patents.  To the extent that software patents are enforced it is small businesses suing large companies, not the other way around.  Large companies do bully many software companies, but the ones who are bullied are the ones who have decided they did not want to obtain software patents themselves.  So they have followed a business plan that ensures bullying, that is hardly a problem caused by the Patent Office or the government.

You are not correct when you say that enforcing patents is too costly for most companies to consider.  Once upon a time that was certainly true, but today there are an ever increasing number of litigation firms willing to take patent cases on a contingency basis.  At this point if you are not able to find a law firm to take the case on a contingency basis it is because the case is not very good, the patent is not very strong or there is no likely infringement.  A small company that is being infringed by a large company is the darling of the contingency fee litigators.

Small companies do not have a realistic choice to skip the whole process, and when they do that they ensure that they will be targets and never anyone to take seriously in the industry.  The unfortunate truth is that software companies used to be able to operate without any business sense.  Those days are long gone.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim-</p>
<p>Much of what you say is right on target.  The Patent Office cannot search much because it was never patented, but I think you are missing the bigger picture.  Large software companies never (or almost never) enforce their patents against others with patents.  To the extent that software patents are enforced it is small businesses suing large companies, not the other way around.  Large companies do bully many software companies, but the ones who are bullied are the ones who have decided they did not want to obtain software patents themselves.  So they have followed a business plan that ensures bullying, that is hardly a problem caused by the Patent Office or the government.</p>
<p>You are not correct when you say that enforcing patents is too costly for most companies to consider.  Once upon a time that was certainly true, but today there are an ever increasing number of litigation firms willing to take patent cases on a contingency basis.  At this point if you are not able to find a law firm to take the case on a contingency basis it is because the case is not very good, the patent is not very strong or there is no likely infringement.  A small company that is being infringed by a large company is the darling of the contingency fee litigators.</p>
<p>Small companies do not have a realistic choice to skip the whole process, and when they do that they ensure that they will be targets and never anyone to take seriously in the industry.  The unfortunate truth is that software companies used to be able to operate without any business sense.  Those days are long gone.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Selover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Selover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with patenting of software is very basic. For the patent system to work, everyone MUST play the patent game. Otherwise the system is ripe for exploitation by only those that choose (and can afford) to play. How are prior art searches performed by the Patent Office? How can they possibly search software that was never patented? Does the fact that a big company has more money to spend on patents than a small company justify the big company&#039;s ability to obtain and patent the smaller companies ideas? Is that how the patent office &#039;encourages innovation&#039;? There are many, many startups with original, innovative ideas that cannot afford to play the patent game. Your assertion: &quot;All the Bilski decision will do is make it more costly for entrepreneurs and small businesses to protect the assets they create, thereby helping those who have achieved market dominance to maintain that market dominance.&quot; is similar to my opinion. My opinion is that it is already too costly for many entrepreneurs and small businesses to protect the assets they create using the patent system. Patent applications themselves may not be expensive to submit, but defending any resulting patents is far too costly for most companies outside the top 500 to even consider; therefore, those small companies have little realistic choice except to skip the whole process and hope they are not sued over technology they were first to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with patenting of software is very basic. For the patent system to work, everyone MUST play the patent game. Otherwise the system is ripe for exploitation by only those that choose (and can afford) to play. How are prior art searches performed by the Patent Office? How can they possibly search software that was never patented? Does the fact that a big company has more money to spend on patents than a small company justify the big company&#8217;s ability to obtain and patent the smaller companies ideas? Is that how the patent office &#8216;encourages innovation&#8217;? There are many, many startups with original, innovative ideas that cannot afford to play the patent game. Your assertion: &#8220;All the Bilski decision will do is make it more costly for entrepreneurs and small businesses to protect the assets they create, thereby helping those who have achieved market dominance to maintain that market dominance.&#8221; is similar to my opinion. My opinion is that it is already too costly for many entrepreneurs and small businesses to protect the assets they create using the patent system. Patent applications themselves may not be expensive to submit, but defending any resulting patents is far too costly for most companies outside the top 500 to even consider; therefore, those small companies have little realistic choice except to skip the whole process and hope they are not sued over technology they were first to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamaal-

If the computer has the ability when it is first plugged in then why does it need software at all?  Perhaps you have stumbled on a truly innovative computer, namely one that does not need software in order to perform.

Your chair analogy is not the best one.  A chair can perform a function as a result of its structure and without any additional assistance.  A computer, on the other hand, cannot.  If you doubt this put together a computer, do not load an operating system, and then try and do something simple like send e-mail or surf the web.  I think you will find that your computer has a real tough time doing even simple tasks without a lot of further assistance.  The chair, on the other hand, operates fine immediately and requires nothing addition in order to function.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamaal-</p>
<p>If the computer has the ability when it is first plugged in then why does it need software at all?  Perhaps you have stumbled on a truly innovative computer, namely one that does not need software in order to perform.</p>
<p>Your chair analogy is not the best one.  A chair can perform a function as a result of its structure and without any additional assistance.  A computer, on the other hand, cannot.  If you doubt this put together a computer, do not load an operating system, and then try and do something simple like send e-mail or surf the web.  I think you will find that your computer has a real tough time doing even simple tasks without a lot of further assistance.  The chair, on the other hand, operates fine immediately and requires nothing addition in order to function.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Jamaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with you, &quot;step back,&quot;

In my profession, I am often handed a computer with absolutely no information in its memory.  I am told what my employers want it to do, and then I begin a thought process about how that thing could be done by a computer.  I record, then refine this thought process as much as possible, in preparation for putting the recorded thought into a form that the computer can consume.  After I have put it into this form and fed it into the machine, I clarify my thought process and correct the record until the computer can accomplish my goals exactly.

If the thought process included an &quot;interpreter,&quot; I can then do the same process again with one difference: instead of rendering the thought into a form that a standard form that the computer can consume out of the box, I have installed the interpreter to allow the computer to understand a form that is situationally preferable to me, so I can render it to that.  And that can also be an interpreter.  Sooner or later, the situation gets to the point of end user software (unless the software is intended to control other machines), where I am basically installing an interpreter of another name that tries to determine your thought processes, especially whether you were trying to express &quot;rhythm&quot; when you typed &quot;rithem.&quot;

The computer has the ability to do this when it is first plugged in, we just haven&#039;t asked it to yet.  Desiring and asking doesn&#039;t add to what it can do in any way.  Saying that a computer is useless before it is programmed is akin to saying that a chair is useless before it is sat in.  It&#039;s philosophically an argument against all patents _excepting_ method patents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you, &#8220;step back,&#8221;</p>
<p>In my profession, I am often handed a computer with absolutely no information in its memory.  I am told what my employers want it to do, and then I begin a thought process about how that thing could be done by a computer.  I record, then refine this thought process as much as possible, in preparation for putting the recorded thought into a form that the computer can consume.  After I have put it into this form and fed it into the machine, I clarify my thought process and correct the record until the computer can accomplish my goals exactly.</p>
<p>If the thought process included an &#8220;interpreter,&#8221; I can then do the same process again with one difference: instead of rendering the thought into a form that a standard form that the computer can consume out of the box, I have installed the interpreter to allow the computer to understand a form that is situationally preferable to me, so I can render it to that.  And that can also be an interpreter.  Sooner or later, the situation gets to the point of end user software (unless the software is intended to control other machines), where I am basically installing an interpreter of another name that tries to determine your thought processes, especially whether you were trying to express &#8220;rhythm&#8221; when you typed &#8220;rithem.&#8221;</p>
<p>The computer has the ability to do this when it is first plugged in, we just haven&#8217;t asked it to yet.  Desiring and asking doesn&#8217;t add to what it can do in any way.  Saying that a computer is useless before it is programmed is akin to saying that a chair is useless before it is sat in.  It&#8217;s philosophically an argument against all patents _excepting_ method patents.</p>
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		<title>By: step back</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2008/11/14/why-not-allow-software-patents/id=259/#comment-1605</link>
		<dc:creator>step back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The computer itself is merely a means to operate software&quot;

Gene,

I really like most of what you say here and hope you don&#039;t mind if I lift some of it for responding to a Bilski rejection at the USPTO.

However, when it comes to the above-quoted statement, I must vehemently object. A programmed computer is not the same physical structure as the apparatus with all its memory locations zeroed out or filled with random 1&#039;s and 0&#039;s. In fact there is a question as to whether you could justifiably call such a pile of metal and silicon a &quot;computer&quot; given that it won&#039;t  usefully &quot;compute&quot; anything. It will just convert electricity into heat energy. Thus the thing should be called a toaster or an electric heater, not a computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The computer itself is merely a means to operate software&#8221;</p>
<p>Gene,</p>
<p>I really like most of what you say here and hope you don&#8217;t mind if I lift some of it for responding to a Bilski rejection at the USPTO.</p>
<p>However, when it comes to the above-quoted statement, I must vehemently object. A programmed computer is not the same physical structure as the apparatus with all its memory locations zeroed out or filled with random 1&#8242;s and 0&#8242;s. In fact there is a question as to whether you could justifiably call such a pile of metal and silicon a &#8220;computer&#8221; given that it won&#8217;t  usefully &#8220;compute&#8221; anything. It will just convert electricity into heat energy. Thus the thing should be called a toaster or an electric heater, not a computer.</p>
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