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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-24191</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I filed a trademark through Legal Zoom. I was very paranoid about the details and this is my first time filing a trademark. I spent upwards to over $500 to file the trademark and to give myself access to a lawyer to talk about any questions I might have. It It has been 3 months since I filed the application and I have received back an Office Action letter with a TON of things wrong with my application! Legal Zoom and the USPTO says I need to get in touch with a trademark attorney to fix the errors. This is complete bull! I want a refund from Legal Zoom. The major reason why my I am getting an Office Action is because of SECTION 2(e)(1) REFUSAL – MERELY DESCRIPTIVE. Why didn&#039;t the attorney that I spoke with before hand notice that the trademark I was filing was descriptive and tell them that I can not to that!? Can I still file my trademark? I am completely loss and out of money. If I could get someone to look at my Office Letter and tell me how I can get around this as well as over 20 other detailed errors in my description that would be great! Right now I am out of money, out of a job, and really upset.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I filed a trademark through Legal Zoom. I was very paranoid about the details and this is my first time filing a trademark. I spent upwards to over $500 to file the trademark and to give myself access to a lawyer to talk about any questions I might have. It It has been 3 months since I filed the application and I have received back an Office Action letter with a TON of things wrong with my application! Legal Zoom and the USPTO says I need to get in touch with a trademark attorney to fix the errors. This is complete bull! I want a refund from Legal Zoom. The major reason why my I am getting an Office Action is because of SECTION 2(e)(1) REFUSAL – MERELY DESCRIPTIVE. Why didn&#8217;t the attorney that I spoke with before hand notice that the trademark I was filing was descriptive and tell them that I can not to that!? Can I still file my trademark? I am completely loss and out of money. If I could get someone to look at my Office Letter and tell me how I can get around this as well as over 20 other detailed errors in my description that would be great! Right now I am out of money, out of a job, and really upset.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Lissett</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-21367</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Lissett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 16:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal Zoom is either unauthorized practice of law or gross malpractice. One of the two. I am a lawyer. And I may be filing a complaint with the California Bar or my State bar to investigate. I cannot believe the California Bar lets this organization do business.IIt is an embarrassment to the California Bar . 

Perhaps it will take a Bar Association from a different state to investigate using their unauthorized practice of law division to prosecute civilly, or perhaps criminally. I pressed one star above, but they deserve no star because their activity is unlawful. 

In our case, but it looks like there are hundreds of complaints all over the web, my wife hired them to do her Trademark. They do not let clients know that what they do is the beginning of a process, but imply that it is going to be a completed process when the do their work on the Trademark. After taking fees, Legal Zoom do the preliminary filing. 

Most important they do not inform the client to look to see if the Trademark on the USPTO site is in question after they file. The Trademark could then be declared invalid by USPTO unless a proper response is timely filed. 

The client is not told this, and may invest later in great business expense under a name that is not their Trademark. If the USPTO notice letter is not received by a client from USPTO, the client knows nothing, and thus later can do nothing. 

The fee charged by Legal Zoom ends up being much more than advertised. Additional fees are later surprisingly &quot;needed,&quot; to do more work originaly not made clear in the beginning. Our State Bar association Unauthorized Practice of law Division in our State (and State Attorney General) would have closed Legal Zoom down long ago. We are not in California. And maybe they will have to do it, as California seems to not care about Legal Zoom preying on its struggling public. And I cannot believe Legal Zoom is run by a Lawyer, and the California Bar does nothing. It is likely complaints have been filed.

I am not a Patent and Trademark attorney, and never did any Trademark work, and I was not in good health at the time, so my wife felt it necessary to seek Legal Zoom&#039;s help. But her complaint is that she was kept in no man&#039;s land on the whole process. Then dumped her in the end after the fee was received.

Another lawyer does not need to know the Trademark field to be able to witness improper activity, which activity could be seen as a very basic question on any ethics section of any State bar exam. 

Legal Zoom&#039;s website in the fine print, says that they are not providing legal services, when in reality they are, and are stepping into legal work in likely every instance.

If they defend that it is activity overseen by a lawyer, so not unauthorized practice of law, then the activity is then clearly Malpractice in perhaps thousands of instances. the complaints on the web are significant, and great in number, and one can figure that only one in a hundred who have been harmed have posted a review.Only certain people want to be bothered additionally, and simply take their Legal Zoom losses.

Other review sites are scary to post on, as they require detailed information on who the reviewer is. Fears of a slander or libel suit cause most to shy away about complaining on the web, or complaining to the Bar for that matter. I think you can see by this review that I know what I am talking about. All should stay away from Legal Zoom.

Those good reviews you see could just be &quot;plants&quot;. If there are this many bad reviews, a reasonable person should have common sense and stay away from them.They are playing the in between, staying in business in an odd way, taking in millions of dollars and causing likely considerable damages to thousands of people nationwide, for no reason other than profit and greed. 

We are very sorry my wife hired Legal Zoom, as I now have to work hard to see what I can do to clean up their mess. My wife either should have done this Trademark work herself, waited till I felt well enough to do it, or hired a reasonably priced real lawyer.But she says Legal Zoom marketing on TV, and ads on the web pulled her in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal Zoom is either unauthorized practice of law or gross malpractice. One of the two. I am a lawyer. And I may be filing a complaint with the California Bar or my State bar to investigate. I cannot believe the California Bar lets this organization do business.IIt is an embarrassment to the California Bar . </p>
<p>Perhaps it will take a Bar Association from a different state to investigate using their unauthorized practice of law division to prosecute civilly, or perhaps criminally. I pressed one star above, but they deserve no star because their activity is unlawful. </p>
<p>In our case, but it looks like there are hundreds of complaints all over the web, my wife hired them to do her Trademark. They do not let clients know that what they do is the beginning of a process, but imply that it is going to be a completed process when the do their work on the Trademark. After taking fees, Legal Zoom do the preliminary filing. </p>
<p>Most important they do not inform the client to look to see if the Trademark on the USPTO site is in question after they file. The Trademark could then be declared invalid by USPTO unless a proper response is timely filed. </p>
<p>The client is not told this, and may invest later in great business expense under a name that is not their Trademark. If the USPTO notice letter is not received by a client from USPTO, the client knows nothing, and thus later can do nothing. </p>
<p>The fee charged by Legal Zoom ends up being much more than advertised. Additional fees are later surprisingly &#8220;needed,&#8221; to do more work originaly not made clear in the beginning. Our State Bar association Unauthorized Practice of law Division in our State (and State Attorney General) would have closed Legal Zoom down long ago. We are not in California. And maybe they will have to do it, as California seems to not care about Legal Zoom preying on its struggling public. And I cannot believe Legal Zoom is run by a Lawyer, and the California Bar does nothing. It is likely complaints have been filed.</p>
<p>I am not a Patent and Trademark attorney, and never did any Trademark work, and I was not in good health at the time, so my wife felt it necessary to seek Legal Zoom&#8217;s help. But her complaint is that she was kept in no man&#8217;s land on the whole process. Then dumped her in the end after the fee was received.</p>
<p>Another lawyer does not need to know the Trademark field to be able to witness improper activity, which activity could be seen as a very basic question on any ethics section of any State bar exam. </p>
<p>Legal Zoom&#8217;s website in the fine print, says that they are not providing legal services, when in reality they are, and are stepping into legal work in likely every instance.</p>
<p>If they defend that it is activity overseen by a lawyer, so not unauthorized practice of law, then the activity is then clearly Malpractice in perhaps thousands of instances. the complaints on the web are significant, and great in number, and one can figure that only one in a hundred who have been harmed have posted a review.Only certain people want to be bothered additionally, and simply take their Legal Zoom losses.</p>
<p>Other review sites are scary to post on, as they require detailed information on who the reviewer is. Fears of a slander or libel suit cause most to shy away about complaining on the web, or complaining to the Bar for that matter. I think you can see by this review that I know what I am talking about. All should stay away from Legal Zoom.</p>
<p>Those good reviews you see could just be &#8220;plants&#8221;. If there are this many bad reviews, a reasonable person should have common sense and stay away from them.They are playing the in between, staying in business in an odd way, taking in millions of dollars and causing likely considerable damages to thousands of people nationwide, for no reason other than profit and greed. </p>
<p>We are very sorry my wife hired Legal Zoom, as I now have to work hard to see what I can do to clean up their mess. My wife either should have done this Trademark work herself, waited till I felt well enough to do it, or hired a reasonably priced real lawyer.But she says Legal Zoom marketing on TV, and ads on the web pulled her in.</p>
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		<title>By: ca</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-21180</link>
		<dc:creator>ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry Moatz was removed from office in January 2011</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry Moatz was removed from office in January 2011</p>
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		<title>By: Honest Abe</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-14084</link>
		<dc:creator>Honest Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dishonorable Harry moatz should be terminated from this office and the DEPT of commerce should knwo the truth. Harry Moatz is shady and professionals who exploit the american inventor get an old pat on the back by the king pin of inventor abuse - Harry Moatz.(Meanwhile he pretends to work on regulations so futile as described above).  I know of a practioner who has a history of being financially irresponsible,YEARS OF federal tax liens, has been kicked out of law school for cheating, but passed the patent bar to become an agent,.this person now lies to clients, does not know the law, but remains on Harrys Moatz’s Roster as “practioners in good moral standing:”  What a joke. Other practioners who have stolen tens of thousands from a client, and I do mean stolen given the fact that the attorney failed to respond to the first office action, and did not tell the client for THREE Years. A license to practice is NOT license to STEAL, unless Harry Moatz and James Toupin are there to put the stamp of approval on the routine misconduct, which they do. Harry Moatz did nothing,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dishonorable Harry moatz should be terminated from this office and the DEPT of commerce should knwo the truth. Harry Moatz is shady and professionals who exploit the american inventor get an old pat on the back by the king pin of inventor abuse &#8211; Harry Moatz.(Meanwhile he pretends to work on regulations so futile as described above).  I know of a practioner who has a history of being financially irresponsible,YEARS OF federal tax liens, has been kicked out of law school for cheating, but passed the patent bar to become an agent,.this person now lies to clients, does not know the law, but remains on Harrys Moatz’s Roster as “practioners in good moral standing:”  What a joke. Other practioners who have stolen tens of thousands from a client, and I do mean stolen given the fact that the attorney failed to respond to the first office action, and did not tell the client for THREE Years. A license to practice is NOT license to STEAL, unless Harry Moatz and James Toupin are there to put the stamp of approval on the routine misconduct, which they do. Harry Moatz did nothing,</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-13443</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. Smith-

You have to be careful when you are paying prices below market value.  There are a number of provisional patent application services on the web, and I have put together a do it yourself model, but whenever you are going to file without an attorney or agent involved there is risk.  Sometimes folks have to cut corners because it is do it themselves or don&#039;t do it at all, so there is no one-size-fits-all advice that anyone can provide.

What I would suggest is you read the pages of IPWatchdog and become as familiar with patenting as possible.  Consider getting Patent It Yourself, which you can get from any bookstore.  Also consider getting this book by Professor Janice Mueller:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0735578311?tag=ipwatchdogcom&amp;camp=213381&amp;creative=390973&amp;linkCode=as4&amp;creativeASIN=0735578311&amp;adid=15FBEFC7BDFSRX3YG8WY&amp;

In terms of who can help, I would recommend you gravitate toward a patent agent or patent attorney.  Consider finding a local inventors group and see if the inventors can recommend anyone.

Best of luck to you.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. Smith-</p>
<p>You have to be careful when you are paying prices below market value.  There are a number of provisional patent application services on the web, and I have put together a do it yourself model, but whenever you are going to file without an attorney or agent involved there is risk.  Sometimes folks have to cut corners because it is do it themselves or don&#8217;t do it at all, so there is no one-size-fits-all advice that anyone can provide.</p>
<p>What I would suggest is you read the pages of IPWatchdog and become as familiar with patenting as possible.  Consider getting Patent It Yourself, which you can get from any bookstore.  Also consider getting this book by Professor Janice Mueller:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0735578311?tag=ipwatchdogcom&#038;camp=213381&#038;creative=390973&#038;linkCode=as4&#038;creativeASIN=0735578311&#038;adid=15FBEFC7BDFSRX3YG8WY&#038;amp" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/dp/0735578311?tag=ipwatchdogcom&#038;camp=213381&#038;creative=390973&#038;linkCode=as4&#038;creativeASIN=0735578311&#038;adid=15FBEFC7BDFSRX3YG8WY&#038;amp</a>;</p>
<p>In terms of who can help, I would recommend you gravitate toward a patent agent or patent attorney.  Consider finding a local inventors group and see if the inventors can recommend anyone.</p>
<p>Best of luck to you.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: P. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-13439</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I have read this, I have discontinued my pursuit of patenting an device through legalzoom.  With that said, how do I go about this legitimately?  There seems to be a lot of junk on the web and I just don&#039;t want to get burned.  Who is trustworthy out there that I may contact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I have read this, I have discontinued my pursuit of patenting an device through legalzoom.  With that said, how do I go about this legitimately?  There seems to be a lot of junk on the web and I just don&#8217;t want to get burned.  Who is trustworthy out there that I may contact?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pitts</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-10123</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Michael as well as the author. It is far time that attorneys stopped complaining about Legal Zoom and started competing. Read my new e-book entitled: Legal Zoom Pummeled You in 2009: eLawyering Strategies to Avoid a 2010 Beat Down! @ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elawyer.lendahandlegal.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.elawyer.lendahandlegal.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Michael as well as the author. It is far time that attorneys stopped complaining about Legal Zoom and started competing. Read my new e-book entitled: Legal Zoom Pummeled You in 2009: eLawyering Strategies to Avoid a 2010 Beat Down! @ <a href="http://www.elawyer.lendahandlegal.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.elawyer.lendahandlegal.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Shea</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-7753</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evil genius of legalzoom is the loophole of being able to pass themselves off as legal helpers without being subject to any of the discipline rules that licensed attorneys are subject to.  Who can stop them?  Consumer agencies, and they don&#039;t really care because they probably hate lawyers more than legalzoom.  A UPL complaint?  All they risk is a cease and desist in one little jurisdiction, not much in the way of punitive damages.  It would be nice if the ABA would use its national presence to get a spotlight on these companies from the FTC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evil genius of legalzoom is the loophole of being able to pass themselves off as legal helpers without being subject to any of the discipline rules that licensed attorneys are subject to.  Who can stop them?  Consumer agencies, and they don&#8217;t really care because they probably hate lawyers more than legalzoom.  A UPL complaint?  All they risk is a cease and desist in one little jurisdiction, not much in the way of punitive damages.  It would be nice if the ABA would use its national presence to get a spotlight on these companies from the FTC.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Quinn.  What I cannot believe is how nobody is willing to shut them down or at least prohibit LegalZoom from filing &lt;a href=&quot;http://thetrademarkcompany.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;trademark&lt;/a&gt; applications on behalf of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Quinn.  What I cannot believe is how nobody is willing to shut them down or at least prohibit LegalZoom from filing <a href="http://thetrademarkcompany.com/" rel="nofollow">trademark</a> applications on behalf of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Levi</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/02/03/legalzoom-continues-unauthorized-practice-of-law/id=1899/#comment-2671</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another example of Harry Moatz again putting the &quot;hush hush&quot; approval on true crime and collecting a government salary for sternly slapping the wrist of a practitioner whose shingle fell down in the wind. He and his corrupt office mask themselves by bringing justice to the few, and bringing injustice to the greater majority. He is more of an advocate for fraud that you may know. This guy needs to go... sooner the better.  All bullies are cowards, all cowards are liars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another example of Harry Moatz again putting the &#8220;hush hush&#8221; approval on true crime and collecting a government salary for sternly slapping the wrist of a practitioner whose shingle fell down in the wind. He and his corrupt office mask themselves by bringing justice to the few, and bringing injustice to the greater majority. He is more of an advocate for fraud that you may know. This guy needs to go&#8230; sooner the better.  All bullies are cowards, all cowards are liars.</p>
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