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		<title>By: Old Examiner</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-1958</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Examiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a GS15 examiner with over 30 years experience, I believe there are several reasons for the poor quality of examination currently existing within the Office. 

First, the Office has rapidly expanded with a glut of applications in the last decade forcing a ridiculous number of new examiners to be hired. Such a large number necessarily dilutes the talent pool. Further, the newbies aren&#039;t well trained. Prior to reaching their examining group, they spend months in a training academy attempting to learn all facets of the job and being supervised by examiners having no knowledge of their art area. In the past, examiners were placed in their art units after 2 weeks and received hands-on training by experienced examiners or their supervisor who were knowledgeable about their art. Later, they attended classes at regular intervals for further training.

When I started in the Office, supervisors had many years of experience. Currently, you see examiners appointed as supervisors one year after becoming a primary examiner. They barely know how to do the job themselves, let alone train other examiners. They are usually appointed in art areas they are unfamiliar with, hindering their ability to assist the junior examiners in searching and expediting the prosecution. 

New examiners are also trained to write short stories on first action, never getting down to the crux of the inventive concept and wasting a great deal of time. The short form of the 1970s worked great, consolidating the issues for either a final rejection or allowance on the next action.   

The Office has also failed to keep up with the classification system, breaking down subclasses for easier searching. They have forced examiners to only word search every case. Subclasses have grown so large that it is virtually impossible to comb through an art area.New examiners never learn the art and are never comfortable that they have the best art in the case. The published applications are no longer classified by examiners, causing numerous misclassifications. This causes examiners great trepidation when it comes to issuing a case fearing that Quality Review will bounce it, and they will be rated poorly. The SPEs also fret about QR since it will affect their rating as well. Therefore, examiners continually make new rejections, attornies file RCEs rather than appeal, prolonging patent prosecution. Hence,the low allowance rate in the Office.

I, for one, don&#039;t believe recent cases, such as KSR, have forced the extended prosecution. Even before these cases, I always examined and trained with a common sense approach to obviousness. Some combinations are clearly logical, some simply don&#039;t make sense. My allowance rate has always been around 67%.

Since I work at home, I don&#039;t have as much contact with the younger examiners as in the past, but I do believe most examiners who choose to stay in the Office want to become a Primary Examiner, if not for pay than for no other reason that their decisions become their own. I just think that with the push in the Office for &quot;quality&quot;, it has become difficult for the above reasons, causing many talented hires to leave the Office and the remaining ones to flounder in many cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a GS15 examiner with over 30 years experience, I believe there are several reasons for the poor quality of examination currently existing within the Office. </p>
<p>First, the Office has rapidly expanded with a glut of applications in the last decade forcing a ridiculous number of new examiners to be hired. Such a large number necessarily dilutes the talent pool. Further, the newbies aren&#8217;t well trained. Prior to reaching their examining group, they spend months in a training academy attempting to learn all facets of the job and being supervised by examiners having no knowledge of their art area. In the past, examiners were placed in their art units after 2 weeks and received hands-on training by experienced examiners or their supervisor who were knowledgeable about their art. Later, they attended classes at regular intervals for further training.</p>
<p>When I started in the Office, supervisors had many years of experience. Currently, you see examiners appointed as supervisors one year after becoming a primary examiner. They barely know how to do the job themselves, let alone train other examiners. They are usually appointed in art areas they are unfamiliar with, hindering their ability to assist the junior examiners in searching and expediting the prosecution. </p>
<p>New examiners are also trained to write short stories on first action, never getting down to the crux of the inventive concept and wasting a great deal of time. The short form of the 1970s worked great, consolidating the issues for either a final rejection or allowance on the next action.   </p>
<p>The Office has also failed to keep up with the classification system, breaking down subclasses for easier searching. They have forced examiners to only word search every case. Subclasses have grown so large that it is virtually impossible to comb through an art area.New examiners never learn the art and are never comfortable that they have the best art in the case. The published applications are no longer classified by examiners, causing numerous misclassifications. This causes examiners great trepidation when it comes to issuing a case fearing that Quality Review will bounce it, and they will be rated poorly. The SPEs also fret about QR since it will affect their rating as well. Therefore, examiners continually make new rejections, attornies file RCEs rather than appeal, prolonging patent prosecution. Hence,the low allowance rate in the Office.</p>
<p>I, for one, don&#8217;t believe recent cases, such as KSR, have forced the extended prosecution. Even before these cases, I always examined and trained with a common sense approach to obviousness. Some combinations are clearly logical, some simply don&#8217;t make sense. My allowance rate has always been around 67%.</p>
<p>Since I work at home, I don&#8217;t have as much contact with the younger examiners as in the past, but I do believe most examiners who choose to stay in the Office want to become a Primary Examiner, if not for pay than for no other reason that their decisions become their own. I just think that with the push in the Office for &#8220;quality&#8221;, it has become difficult for the above reasons, causing many talented hires to leave the Office and the remaining ones to flounder in many cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Just retired Examiner</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-1811</link>
		<dc:creator>Just retired Examiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PTO was a very demoralizing place to work.  I used to wonder why it could not be a place where professionals are treated with respect and are valued for their education and knowledge.  A Ph.D. means nothing in the PTO.  Why is that the PTO is considered a corporation and yet no one  with any management background/skills is running it?  The place is run like a soup kitchen.  Bias, ignorance and favoritism is the name of the game.  When you pick supervisors who apply for supervisory jobs because they hated examining, stayed at the examining level for just a few years or were not very adept at examining, what kind of supervisory skills or appreciation of examining do they have?  These then become the very people who review cases for patentability and pick them apart.  And there lies one reason for rejecting.  Rejecting a case is much easier.  Just wear the attorney down to abandonment.  The examiner who is picked up as a supervisory official, is a know-it-all on that very day.  There is nothing you can tell him he does not know about your case nor does he even listen or care.  End of matter. Case closed.  When we were told to reject, reject, reject, and an internal witch-hunt was in place to review and re-open by people who knew very little, all put in place for this witch-hunt, many astute examiners saw this day coming, where fees including maintenance, would fall and so would filings.  The downhill free-fall has just begun at the PTO.  Hold on tight everybody.  And the very managers who instituted this, are about to leave!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PTO was a very demoralizing place to work.  I used to wonder why it could not be a place where professionals are treated with respect and are valued for their education and knowledge.  A Ph.D. means nothing in the PTO.  Why is that the PTO is considered a corporation and yet no one  with any management background/skills is running it?  The place is run like a soup kitchen.  Bias, ignorance and favoritism is the name of the game.  When you pick supervisors who apply for supervisory jobs because they hated examining, stayed at the examining level for just a few years or were not very adept at examining, what kind of supervisory skills or appreciation of examining do they have?  These then become the very people who review cases for patentability and pick them apart.  And there lies one reason for rejecting.  Rejecting a case is much easier.  Just wear the attorney down to abandonment.  The examiner who is picked up as a supervisory official, is a know-it-all on that very day.  There is nothing you can tell him he does not know about your case nor does he even listen or care.  End of matter. Case closed.  When we were told to reject, reject, reject, and an internal witch-hunt was in place to review and re-open by people who knew very little, all put in place for this witch-hunt, many astute examiners saw this day coming, where fees including maintenance, would fall and so would filings.  The downhill free-fall has just begun at the PTO.  Hold on tight everybody.  And the very managers who instituted this, are about to leave!</p>
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		<title>By: Nohj Edo</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>Nohj Edo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Verno Whitney -

&quot;I do personally take issue with the fact that a promotion or Signatory Authority results in less immediate pay per count, but there are still incentives to get promoted, so please be clear on the facts before throwing out absolutes that’ll get people stirred up.&quot;

I don&#039;t think it was the anonymous examiner&#039;s intention to &quot;get people stirred&quot; up.  My interpretation is that he was simply trying to convey that it would be beneficial to those that DO want to get promoted and to those that DO NOT want to be promoted, that regardless of what you choose, you will get paid more money for more work.  Ideally in a production based environment (like that found at the patent office) you would want to make more money in proportion to the amount of extra work that you do.

Everyone Else-

Regarding Continuing Claims Rules, Bilsky and KSR, my personal opinion is that they are very bad solutions/decisions that were aimed at a very few bad (i.e. horrible) patent applications where the attorneys and/or inventors were egregious abusers of the patent system.  These &quot;bad apples&quot; have effectively spoiled the whole brunch.  Now these decisions/solutions are now being used to prevent both the good applications and bad applications from being allowed.

I&#039;ve worked on several applications where I could have easily used KSR&#039;s very loose reasons for motivation to combine, but knew that I would be overturned if the case ever went to appeal.  But on the flip side, KSR is a great tool for the applications that combine technologies in analogous arts.

In finality, it would be great if USPTO Upper Management, Middle Management, and Examining Core could have an open forum with Inventors and Attorneys.   This forum wouldn&#039;t even have to take place in the same room.  It could consist of each party separately voicing there concerns amongst each other, then each party hearing the other party&#039;s concerns, that way we could arrive at diplomatic solutions for everyone&#039;s problems.

I&#039;m asking a lot, but that because I&#039;m an optimist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verno Whitney -</p>
<p>&#8220;I do personally take issue with the fact that a promotion or Signatory Authority results in less immediate pay per count, but there are still incentives to get promoted, so please be clear on the facts before throwing out absolutes that’ll get people stirred up.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it was the anonymous examiner&#8217;s intention to &#8220;get people stirred&#8221; up.  My interpretation is that he was simply trying to convey that it would be beneficial to those that DO want to get promoted and to those that DO NOT want to be promoted, that regardless of what you choose, you will get paid more money for more work.  Ideally in a production based environment (like that found at the patent office) you would want to make more money in proportion to the amount of extra work that you do.</p>
<p>Everyone Else-</p>
<p>Regarding Continuing Claims Rules, Bilsky and KSR, my personal opinion is that they are very bad solutions/decisions that were aimed at a very few bad (i.e. horrible) patent applications where the attorneys and/or inventors were egregious abusers of the patent system.  These &#8220;bad apples&#8221; have effectively spoiled the whole brunch.  Now these decisions/solutions are now being used to prevent both the good applications and bad applications from being allowed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked on several applications where I could have easily used KSR&#8217;s very loose reasons for motivation to combine, but knew that I would be overturned if the case ever went to appeal.  But on the flip side, KSR is a great tool for the applications that combine technologies in analogous arts.</p>
<p>In finality, it would be great if USPTO Upper Management, Middle Management, and Examining Core could have an open forum with Inventors and Attorneys.   This forum wouldn&#8217;t even have to take place in the same room.  It could consist of each party separately voicing there concerns amongst each other, then each party hearing the other party&#8217;s concerns, that way we could arrive at diplomatic solutions for everyone&#8217;s problems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m asking a lot, but that because I&#8217;m an optimist.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One major part of the problem is the farcical idea that &quot;patent quality&quot; = rejection rate.  At best, that idea only captures half of the problem, and fails to acknowledge that the rejection of claims that are entitled to issue is also a quality problem.  More importantly, no one seems to have any real idea about what &quot;patent quality&quot; means.  It is a nose of wax that is twisted by the infringers&#039; lobby (the inaptly-named Coalition for Patent Fairness, for example) and others into anything they want it to mean.

Bureaucracies exist to expand themselves.  When the USPTO confronts an incoming flow of applications that drops off a cliff, due to Tafas v. Doll, KSR, Bilski and the Greater Depression put together, someone is going to panic and realize that the power and influence of their agency is dropping off a cliff along with the incoming workflow.  Maybe then actual reform will be possible.  Until then, we&#039;ll just get more punitive rule changes, clueless Congressional bills and out-of-touch USPTO management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One major part of the problem is the farcical idea that &#8220;patent quality&#8221; = rejection rate.  At best, that idea only captures half of the problem, and fails to acknowledge that the rejection of claims that are entitled to issue is also a quality problem.  More importantly, no one seems to have any real idea about what &#8220;patent quality&#8221; means.  It is a nose of wax that is twisted by the infringers&#8217; lobby (the inaptly-named Coalition for Patent Fairness, for example) and others into anything they want it to mean.</p>
<p>Bureaucracies exist to expand themselves.  When the USPTO confronts an incoming flow of applications that drops off a cliff, due to Tafas v. Doll, KSR, Bilski and the Greater Depression put together, someone is going to panic and realize that the power and influence of their agency is dropping off a cliff along with the incoming workflow.  Maybe then actual reform will be possible.  Until then, we&#8217;ll just get more punitive rule changes, clueless Congressional bills and out-of-touch USPTO management.</p>
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		<title>By: VernoWhitney</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>VernoWhitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First let me be clear that I wholeheartedly agree with the statements that allowance error rates and the setup of the count system enforce the “reject, reject, reject&quot; mantra. That said, I feel obligated to chime in here and correct some information regarding the pay/promotions issue.

The fact is NOT that a GS-15 is paid less per case than a GS-9. Even those GS-15 examiners with “Expert” or “Senior Examiner” status (both of which increase the amount of work required) get paid more per case than any other examiner *at the same step* except possibly a GS-14 with Partial Signatory Authority. While there is an immediate disencentive to get a promotion since going from say a 9/8 to an 11/5 does result in a ~6% effective pay drop, anyone who wants to be able to sign their own work, plans to make a career out of examining (or even stick around long enough to max out their step at whatever grade they&#039;re at), or cares about their pension (which considers only base salary, not OT) needs to take the promotion. 

Furthermore, a GS-9 working OT DOES NOT make more than a GS-11, 12 or 13 *at the same step* if he does the same number of counts. This is the same situation as promotions - initially you can&#039;t make as much money but it also gives you more free time (or lets you be more honest about how much OT you worked, whatever ).

I do personally take issue with the fact that a promotion or Signatory Authority results in less immediate pay per count, but there are still incentives to get promoted, so please be clear on the facts before throwing out absolutes that&#039;ll get people stirred up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First let me be clear that I wholeheartedly agree with the statements that allowance error rates and the setup of the count system enforce the “reject, reject, reject&#8221; mantra. That said, I feel obligated to chime in here and correct some information regarding the pay/promotions issue.</p>
<p>The fact is NOT that a GS-15 is paid less per case than a GS-9. Even those GS-15 examiners with “Expert” or “Senior Examiner” status (both of which increase the amount of work required) get paid more per case than any other examiner *at the same step* except possibly a GS-14 with Partial Signatory Authority. While there is an immediate disencentive to get a promotion since going from say a 9/8 to an 11/5 does result in a ~6% effective pay drop, anyone who wants to be able to sign their own work, plans to make a career out of examining (or even stick around long enough to max out their step at whatever grade they&#8217;re at), or cares about their pension (which considers only base salary, not OT) needs to take the promotion. </p>
<p>Furthermore, a GS-9 working OT DOES NOT make more than a GS-11, 12 or 13 *at the same step* if he does the same number of counts. This is the same situation as promotions &#8211; initially you can&#8217;t make as much money but it also gives you more free time (or lets you be more honest about how much OT you worked, whatever ).</p>
<p>I do personally take issue with the fact that a promotion or Signatory Authority results in less immediate pay per count, but there are still incentives to get promoted, so please be clear on the facts before throwing out absolutes that&#8217;ll get people stirred up.</p>
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		<title>By: Breadcrumbs</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadcrumbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be fair to say that the sword of the PHOSITA cuts both ways - since PHOSITA has nearly omniscient powers to know all prior art in a multitude of fields (not just the art field in question, but any art field where a similar problem may be solved), that very same PHOSITA carries a lot of knowledge that need not be repeated in an application?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be fair to say that the sword of the PHOSITA cuts both ways &#8211; since PHOSITA has nearly omniscient powers to know all prior art in a multitude of fields (not just the art field in question, but any art field where a similar problem may be solved), that very same PHOSITA carries a lot of knowledge that need not be repeated in an application?</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agent G-

Amen!  I agree completely.  I also think in any cooperative prosecution the examiners should focus on the specification and then work toward appropriate claim language with applicants.  That would ensure adequate disclosure and lead to claims that could be issued.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agent G-</p>
<p>Amen!  I agree completely.  I also think in any cooperative prosecution the examiners should focus on the specification and then work toward appropriate claim language with applicants.  That would ensure adequate disclosure and lead to claims that could be issued.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: AgentG</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator>AgentG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the single, most effective improvement in the patent system would be to enforce a standard of enablement that actually fulfills the public service of teaching the invention.  The present standard is in most arts a farce, because of the malleable interpretation of the PHOSITA.  Therefore, patent applications are written too generally.  Patent applications should provide all the information to practice the invention.  Particularly in the software arts, this would have a highly ameliorative effect on all the ills with the patent system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the single, most effective improvement in the patent system would be to enforce a standard of enablement that actually fulfills the public service of teaching the invention.  The present standard is in most arts a farce, because of the malleable interpretation of the PHOSITA.  Therefore, patent applications are written too generally.  Patent applications should provide all the information to practice the invention.  Particularly in the software arts, this would have a highly ameliorative effect on all the ills with the patent system.</p>
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		<title>By: Knuckles</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>Knuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene.-
I gratefully appreciate the information given in this section. For more than a year now I have been fascinated with patent law and everything related to intellectual property protection. Although my professional background has nothing to do with law, or intellectual property protection or anything of the kind (you would be surprised) I am planning on a career change towards this direction.  It is really disappointing and discouraging to find out how things really work in the Patent Office. From what I read here, I have the feeling that the intellectual protection process has been turned into a pure burocratic process based on numbers,  “counts”, percentages  and promotions– apparently there seems to be no interest in protecting the creativity of the inventors.  The PTO seems indeed dysfunctional and at some point paranoid- what is exactly the rationale behind rejecting everything that fall on their hands? 
Knuckles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene.-<br />
I gratefully appreciate the information given in this section. For more than a year now I have been fascinated with patent law and everything related to intellectual property protection. Although my professional background has nothing to do with law, or intellectual property protection or anything of the kind (you would be surprised) I am planning on a career change towards this direction.  It is really disappointing and discouraging to find out how things really work in the Patent Office. From what I read here, I have the feeling that the intellectual protection process has been turned into a pure burocratic process based on numbers,  “counts”, percentages  and promotions– apparently there seems to be no interest in protecting the creativity of the inventors.  The PTO seems indeed dysfunctional and at some point paranoid- what is exactly the rationale behind rejecting everything that fall on their hands?<br />
Knuckles</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/03/16/prespective-of-an-anonymous-patent-examiner/id=2190/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breadcrumbs-

Thanks for the note.  I am sure you are right.  The thing that scares me, however, is that while the view of 6 is so twisted and extreme it is a view that could well be that of certain senior level officials with the PTO. 

How is it possible that the solutions that are so clear on their face are so illusive to those in power, and those who are clueless?

Thanks for reading.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breadcrumbs-</p>
<p>Thanks for the note.  I am sure you are right.  The thing that scares me, however, is that while the view of 6 is so twisted and extreme it is a view that could well be that of certain senior level officials with the PTO. </p>
<p>How is it possible that the solutions that are so clear on their face are so illusive to those in power, and those who are clueless?</p>
<p>Thanks for reading.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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