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	<title>Comments on: An Interview with the Acting Commissioner for Patents</title>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody knows what the allowance &quot;error rate&quot; is or how it is determined.  But based on the worthless invalid claims that are still being issued regularly in the computer-tech field, the Allowance rate is surely not too low.  It remains too high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody knows what the allowance &#8220;error rate&#8221; is or how it is determined.  But based on the worthless invalid claims that are still being issued regularly in the computer-tech field, the Allowance rate is surely not too low.  It remains too high.</p>
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		<title>By: HiringFreeze</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/05/12/an-interview-with-the-acting-commissioner-for-patents/id=3381/#comment-4336</link>
		<dc:creator>HiringFreeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Peggy see that  decrease in number of hiring examiners will cause a greater backlog.   This will discourage applicant to file new applications (Potential applicants will  be discouraged to file new applications due to the long delay) ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Peggy see that  decrease in number of hiring examiners will cause a greater backlog.   This will discourage applicant to file new applications (Potential applicants will  be discouraged to file new applications due to the long delay) ?</p>
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		<title>By: patent leather</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/05/12/an-interview-with-the-acting-commissioner-for-patents/id=3381/#comment-3731</link>
		<dc:creator>patent leather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 05:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big elephant here is that the &quot;error rate&quot; metric measures bad allowances but not bad rejections!  There is no &quot;rejection error rate&quot; that anyone at the USPTO speaks of.  If an outside agency were to measure USPTO actions incorporating both bad rejections and bad allowances, this &quot;error rate&quot; would be in an upward spike since Mr. Doll took office.  I base this on two things: 1) my own experiences, where in some art units it is almost impossible to get an allowance because examiners and even SPEs fear &quot;getting in trouble&quot; (they have told me this numerous times). I have been practicing for more than 10 years and there was never anything like this 5+ years ago; and 2) Since 2004 the USPTO&#039;s &quot;error rate&quot; improved by a few percent but  the allowance rate has dropped by 20%.  Obviously the shift can be attributed to bad rejections.

Bad patents can be addressed on reexamination.  In fact, I just completed a reexamination in which a final action was issued in less than a year from when the request was filed.  Thus, the system must be modified to stop disfavoring allowances.

Mr. Doll is almost history so there is no need for me to bash him anymore (although I could go on and on) but Ms. Focarino (at least from the above) seems to be more realistic and less stubborn than Mr. Doll.  Hopefully there will be a place for her in the new administration, and I hope she will help the new Director address these issues.  A disaster (for both the USPTO and for innovation) is looming in 2010+ unless these issues are addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big elephant here is that the &#8220;error rate&#8221; metric measures bad allowances but not bad rejections!  There is no &#8220;rejection error rate&#8221; that anyone at the USPTO speaks of.  If an outside agency were to measure USPTO actions incorporating both bad rejections and bad allowances, this &#8220;error rate&#8221; would be in an upward spike since Mr. Doll took office.  I base this on two things: 1) my own experiences, where in some art units it is almost impossible to get an allowance because examiners and even SPEs fear &#8220;getting in trouble&#8221; (they have told me this numerous times). I have been practicing for more than 10 years and there was never anything like this 5+ years ago; and 2) Since 2004 the USPTO&#8217;s &#8220;error rate&#8221; improved by a few percent but  the allowance rate has dropped by 20%.  Obviously the shift can be attributed to bad rejections.</p>
<p>Bad patents can be addressed on reexamination.  In fact, I just completed a reexamination in which a final action was issued in less than a year from when the request was filed.  Thus, the system must be modified to stop disfavoring allowances.</p>
<p>Mr. Doll is almost history so there is no need for me to bash him anymore (although I could go on and on) but Ms. Focarino (at least from the above) seems to be more realistic and less stubborn than Mr. Doll.  Hopefully there will be a place for her in the new administration, and I hope she will help the new Director address these issues.  A disaster (for both the USPTO and for innovation) is looming in 2010+ unless these issues are addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/05/12/an-interview-with-the-acting-commissioner-for-patents/id=3381/#comment-3701</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looking-

I appreciate you reading IPWatchdog.  I understand what you mean with respect to &quot;softball&quot; questions.  The goal of the interview was to talk about what the Patent Office is doing to attempt to rectify an important problem, which is one of perception.  Many within the Office are afraid (or claim to be afraid) to do their job because they fear quality review.  Readjusting resources to help rather than criticize is a good move, in my opinion.  I also could not criticize greater use of interviews, including early in the process, because for months I have been writing that should immediately happen and would lead to a more collaborative and cooperative arrangement if the goal were to identify allowable matter early in the process.  

I understand that there are difficult questions that could have been asked, and perhaps should be asked.  I made a judgment that this was not the time or place to ask such questions.  I have for at least 18 months been attempting in my writings to extend an olive branch to the USPTO.  I have offered to speak with management, coordinate programs, panels and round-table discussions in an effort to foster an exchange of ideas between the patent bar and the Office, which I think is badly needed.  The Commissioner implementing initiatives to make things better is an important first step, and reaching out to discuss them is a very welcome change compared with what has happened for a number of years now.  

I will continue to write about problems I see and offer suggestions, and I hope a dialogue can ensue that will survive through whoever the next political appointee is who runs the Office.  There will be plenty of time for hard questions and Monday morning quarterbacking, but for right now I think the best thing I can do is show I am genuinely interested in making a better system and not interested in looking back if the USPTO is interested in looking forward.

Of course, your mileage may vary, but this was my decision and approach.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looking-</p>
<p>I appreciate you reading IPWatchdog.  I understand what you mean with respect to &#8220;softball&#8221; questions.  The goal of the interview was to talk about what the Patent Office is doing to attempt to rectify an important problem, which is one of perception.  Many within the Office are afraid (or claim to be afraid) to do their job because they fear quality review.  Readjusting resources to help rather than criticize is a good move, in my opinion.  I also could not criticize greater use of interviews, including early in the process, because for months I have been writing that should immediately happen and would lead to a more collaborative and cooperative arrangement if the goal were to identify allowable matter early in the process.  </p>
<p>I understand that there are difficult questions that could have been asked, and perhaps should be asked.  I made a judgment that this was not the time or place to ask such questions.  I have for at least 18 months been attempting in my writings to extend an olive branch to the USPTO.  I have offered to speak with management, coordinate programs, panels and round-table discussions in an effort to foster an exchange of ideas between the patent bar and the Office, which I think is badly needed.  The Commissioner implementing initiatives to make things better is an important first step, and reaching out to discuss them is a very welcome change compared with what has happened for a number of years now.  </p>
<p>I will continue to write about problems I see and offer suggestions, and I hope a dialogue can ensue that will survive through whoever the next political appointee is who runs the Office.  There will be plenty of time for hard questions and Monday morning quarterbacking, but for right now I think the best thing I can do is show I am genuinely interested in making a better system and not interested in looking back if the USPTO is interested in looking forward.</p>
<p>Of course, your mileage may vary, but this was my decision and approach.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Just looking</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/05/12/an-interview-with-the-acting-commissioner-for-patents/id=3381/#comment-3686</link>
		<dc:creator>Just looking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud you for getting the interview (and I am usually very supportive of all the work that you do).  However, I think that your questions were softballs.  Granted, they gave Focarino an opportunity to provide some interesting information, but I doubt if any of those questions ever made her squirm.

The USPTO has a lot to answer for the last couple of years, but your questioning really didn&#039;t tease out any of those answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud you for getting the interview (and I am usually very supportive of all the work that you do).  However, I think that your questions were softballs.  Granted, they gave Focarino an opportunity to provide some interesting information, but I doubt if any of those questions ever made her squirm.</p>
<p>The USPTO has a lot to answer for the last couple of years, but your questioning really didn&#8217;t tease out any of those answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McNab</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/05/12/an-interview-with-the-acting-commissioner-for-patents/id=3381/#comment-3616</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McNab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gooday: Thought I should send this to you, an article in today&#039;s New York times, dealing with the patenting of DNA. Viewed on MSN.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gooday: Thought I should send this to you, an article in today&#8217;s New York times, dealing with the patenting of DNA. Viewed on MSN.com</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/05/12/an-interview-with-the-acting-commissioner-for-patents/id=3381/#comment-3573</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David-

I don&#039;t think John was talking about the IDS rules or what you are referring to.  I have written for some time, and I think John also believes, that Congress needs to step in and do something with inequitable conduct so that there can really be a meaningful exchange of relevant information between applicant and examiner.  The Federal Circuit continues to ignore Rule 56, and the PTO seems to want only the most relevant art presented.  Providing the most relevant art would be a great idea, but if and only if the Federal Circuit can be forced to realize that following Rule 56 and the wishes of the PTO is not inequitable conduct.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David-</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think John was talking about the IDS rules or what you are referring to.  I have written for some time, and I think John also believes, that Congress needs to step in and do something with inequitable conduct so that there can really be a meaningful exchange of relevant information between applicant and examiner.  The Federal Circuit continues to ignore Rule 56, and the PTO seems to want only the most relevant art presented.  Providing the most relevant art would be a great idea, but if and only if the Federal Circuit can be forced to realize that following Rule 56 and the wishes of the PTO is not inequitable conduct.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: David Boundy</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Boundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Item 1.  Wow, this is a refreshing change from the hostility to process and to applicants that we&#039;ve gotten in the last three years.  I look forward to working with Ms. Focarino on the encouraging and reality-based basis she outlines above.


Item 2.  John White writes, &quot;Now, let’s ... get some legislative help to match IDS practice with PTO needs!&quot;

Congress already did, years ago.  35 USC s 41(d)(2) requires the PTO to set fees for IDS&#039;s at the average cost of processing.   Instead of following the law, the PTO decided to make it practically impossible for applicants to comply with the duty of disclosure, and gave us the IDS rule in spring 2006. 

If some examination task is burdensome, then the law (both statutory law and the laws of economics) require the PTO to set the fee appropriately.  What&#039;s the cost of considering an IDS reference over 20?  $15?  $25?  $40?   No one will balk at that fee level.  (What&#039;s the cost to an applicant for writing an ESD per reference?  $1000?  $2000?  Rick Belzer got those kinds of numbers in a peer-reviewed study submitted to OMB...)

The purpose of the Paperwork Reduction Act is to force agencies to study the costs and benefits of regulation, and Executive Order 12866 requires an agency to consider market-based approaches like fee levels before regulatory approaches.  Now that OMB (the White House office that oversees these two laws) is giving the PTO closer adult supervision, maybe lawful rulemaking and rational economic decision-making will return.


Item 3.  I suggest two additional initiatives -
- solicit ideas from the patent bar, just the way you&#039;re soliciting input from examiners
- do quality review on rejections as well as allowances

David Boundy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Item 1.  Wow, this is a refreshing change from the hostility to process and to applicants that we&#8217;ve gotten in the last three years.  I look forward to working with Ms. Focarino on the encouraging and reality-based basis she outlines above.</p>
<p>Item 2.  John White writes, &#8220;Now, let’s &#8230; get some legislative help to match IDS practice with PTO needs!&#8221;</p>
<p>Congress already did, years ago.  35 USC s 41(d)(2) requires the PTO to set fees for IDS&#8217;s at the average cost of processing.   Instead of following the law, the PTO decided to make it practically impossible for applicants to comply with the duty of disclosure, and gave us the IDS rule in spring 2006. </p>
<p>If some examination task is burdensome, then the law (both statutory law and the laws of economics) require the PTO to set the fee appropriately.  What&#8217;s the cost of considering an IDS reference over 20?  $15?  $25?  $40?   No one will balk at that fee level.  (What&#8217;s the cost to an applicant for writing an ESD per reference?  $1000?  $2000?  Rick Belzer got those kinds of numbers in a peer-reviewed study submitted to OMB&#8230;)</p>
<p>The purpose of the Paperwork Reduction Act is to force agencies to study the costs and benefits of regulation, and Executive Order 12866 requires an agency to consider market-based approaches like fee levels before regulatory approaches.  Now that OMB (the White House office that oversees these two laws) is giving the PTO closer adult supervision, maybe lawful rulemaking and rational economic decision-making will return.</p>
<p>Item 3.  I suggest two additional initiatives -<br />
- solicit ideas from the patent bar, just the way you&#8217;re soliciting input from examiners<br />
- do quality review on rejections as well as allowances</p>
<p>David Boundy</p>
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		<title>By: john white</title>
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		<dc:creator>john white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 19:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene:

Excellent. The PTO could certainly make use of more careerists such as Acting Commissioner Focarino in positions of authority. Clearly we, practitioners, and they, the PTO, are on the same side of the barricade in terms of making the patent system work better for all who have reason to be involved in the system. I am happy to lend a hand in devising solutions, both for real and perceived issues. The PTO side of the system can be fixed with tweaks and proper funding. No &quot;re-invention&quot; (so, so punny) necessary. Go with what works, tweak what doesn&#039;t until it does, de-mystify the process from the outside, and away we go. Tweaking Quality Review is a terrific place to start. Despite the best of intentions, the collateral effects have been too much for the system to bear. Examiner&#039;s have felt undermined and 2nd guessed, and the allowance rate has tumbled. This should help rectify that problem. Now, let&#039;s re-start interviews and re-instate &quot;compact&quot; prosecution, and get some legislative help to match IDS practice with PTO needs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene:</p>
<p>Excellent. The PTO could certainly make use of more careerists such as Acting Commissioner Focarino in positions of authority. Clearly we, practitioners, and they, the PTO, are on the same side of the barricade in terms of making the patent system work better for all who have reason to be involved in the system. I am happy to lend a hand in devising solutions, both for real and perceived issues. The PTO side of the system can be fixed with tweaks and proper funding. No &#8220;re-invention&#8221; (so, so punny) necessary. Go with what works, tweak what doesn&#8217;t until it does, de-mystify the process from the outside, and away we go. Tweaking Quality Review is a terrific place to start. Despite the best of intentions, the collateral effects have been too much for the system to bear. Examiner&#8217;s have felt undermined and 2nd guessed, and the allowance rate has tumbled. This should help rectify that problem. Now, let&#8217;s re-start interviews and re-instate &#8220;compact&#8221; prosecution, and get some legislative help to match IDS practice with PTO needs!</p>
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