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	<title>Comments on: Senator Hatch Speaks at World Copyright Summit</title>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/06/09/senator-hatch-speaks-at-world-copyright-summit/id=4004/#comment-5271</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bot Net-

What you say would be correct if your premise were true.  The trouble is not the folks in a back alley that sell obvious copies.  The trouble is high quality counterfeit CDs and DVDs.  Whether you choose to believe it or not, it is an enormous problem.  There are billions in sales lost, which translates into thousands of US jobs lost.  The counterfeiters are extremely sophisticated, make exact copies, and fool many retailers and thousands of businesses.  You shouldn&#039;t assume you know everything and that the worry is about obvious counterfeiters on the streets of NY.

-Gene</description>
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<p>What you say would be correct if your premise were true.  The trouble is not the folks in a back alley that sell obvious copies.  The trouble is high quality counterfeit CDs and DVDs.  Whether you choose to believe it or not, it is an enormous problem.  There are billions in sales lost, which translates into thousands of US jobs lost.  The counterfeiters are extremely sophisticated, make exact copies, and fool many retailers and thousands of businesses.  You shouldn&#8217;t assume you know everything and that the worry is about obvious counterfeiters on the streets of NY.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Bot Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bot Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Majority of the people who copy the movies would not buy the movie that was copied and there is no way it can be counted as a lost sale.   It is stupid to say they have lost revenue for something they would not have sold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Majority of the people who copy the movies would not buy the movie that was copied and there is no way it can be counted as a lost sale.   It is stupid to say they have lost revenue for something they would not have sold!</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick-

Point very well taken.  There is so much copying of facts and figures.  You are right 100%.

I am not intimately familiar with BSA, although as an industry group they do have an agenda to some extent.  I have no knowledge about whether that has tainted any factual or statistical reporting.  I would say the slant is probably in interpreting, not facts, but not much surprises me these days.

I also believe copyright protection last extremely long, and public domain is in danger.  The duration of a copyright sometimes seems to be 25 years plus the life of Mickey Mouse.  Eventually the original character will fall in the public domain, I guess.

While a legitimate argument can be made about the length of copyrights, I think counterfeiting is a far bigger problem than most people suspect.  The real trouble is that where counterfeiting is rampant it harms the US, but absolutely kills their own domestic creators.  US artists have a worldwide market, with rights strong and respect in many places.  Chinese artists, for example, have largely only a Chinese market.  Copying is becoming an ever increasing problem for domestic artists in China and India, and when that happens it usually signals the beginning of stronger enforcement.  That is the history of the US, and we are starting to see that in China I think.  Time will tell.

Thanks for contributing.

-Gene</description>
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<p>Point very well taken.  There is so much copying of facts and figures.  You are right 100%.</p>
<p>I am not intimately familiar with BSA, although as an industry group they do have an agenda to some extent.  I have no knowledge about whether that has tainted any factual or statistical reporting.  I would say the slant is probably in interpreting, not facts, but not much surprises me these days.</p>
<p>I also believe copyright protection last extremely long, and public domain is in danger.  The duration of a copyright sometimes seems to be 25 years plus the life of Mickey Mouse.  Eventually the original character will fall in the public domain, I guess.</p>
<p>While a legitimate argument can be made about the length of copyrights, I think counterfeiting is a far bigger problem than most people suspect.  The real trouble is that where counterfeiting is rampant it harms the US, but absolutely kills their own domestic creators.  US artists have a worldwide market, with rights strong and respect in many places.  Chinese artists, for example, have largely only a Chinese market.  Copying is becoming an ever increasing problem for domestic artists in China and India, and when that happens it usually signals the beginning of stronger enforcement.  That is the history of the US, and we are starting to see that in China I think.  Time will tell.</p>
<p>Thanks for contributing.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/06/09/senator-hatch-speaks-at-world-copyright-summit/id=4004/#comment-5224</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding similar numbers these days usually means one &quot;news source&quot; is copying apocryphal &quot;statistics&quot; from another &quot;news source.&quot; The Business Software Alliance is hardly a reputable source of such information. I sincerely doubt that the losses are as great as they are claimed to be or that most IP owners have their businesses threatened by piracy. It is not a new phenomenon. It has been possible to cheaply produce illegal reproductions of published materials for centuries, and I am not kidding.

IP owners would be better off creating more attractive value propositions for their wares than wasting resources on litigation. Our elected officials would do better by rolling back copyright duration to that prevailing 100 years ago, not providing free copyright policing services to wealthy content publishing houses, and protecting and enriching the public domain. It is Public Domain that is in grave danger, not the film or music houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding similar numbers these days usually means one &#8220;news source&#8221; is copying apocryphal &#8220;statistics&#8221; from another &#8220;news source.&#8221; The Business Software Alliance is hardly a reputable source of such information. I sincerely doubt that the losses are as great as they are claimed to be or that most IP owners have their businesses threatened by piracy. It is not a new phenomenon. It has been possible to cheaply produce illegal reproductions of published materials for centuries, and I am not kidding.</p>
<p>IP owners would be better off creating more attractive value propositions for their wares than wasting resources on litigation. Our elected officials would do better by rolling back copyright duration to that prevailing 100 years ago, not providing free copyright policing services to wealthy content publishing houses, and protecting and enriching the public domain. It is Public Domain that is in grave danger, not the film or music houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/06/09/senator-hatch-speaks-at-world-copyright-summit/id=4004/#comment-5221</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator - you say &quot;I&quot; too much.  We don&#039;t care about what &quot;I&quot; thinks.  When was the last time you did anything for the good of the people and not those who financed your campaign?  How about you make sure that the laws used to govern anything today are unprecedented on something from 80 years ago?  Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator &#8211; you say &#8220;I&#8221; too much.  We don&#8217;t care about what &#8220;I&#8221; thinks.  When was the last time you did anything for the good of the people and not those who financed your campaign?  How about you make sure that the laws used to govern anything today are unprecedented on something from 80 years ago?  Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/06/09/senator-hatch-speaks-at-world-copyright-summit/id=4004/#comment-5218</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick-

I cannot say exactly where the Senator got these numbers, but they are consistent with what I have seen reported by various organizations.  I think the Business Software Alliance might have done a report like this, and I believe I have seen some numbers from a US government agency as well, perhaps a Trade report.  I think if you search the Internet a little you will find a lot of similar numbers.  Copyright infringement and counterfeiting causes huge damage.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick-</p>
<p>I cannot say exactly where the Senator got these numbers, but they are consistent with what I have seen reported by various organizations.  I think the Business Software Alliance might have done a report like this, and I believe I have seen some numbers from a US government agency as well, perhaps a Trade report.  I think if you search the Internet a little you will find a lot of similar numbers.  Copyright infringement and counterfeiting causes huge damage.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/06/09/senator-hatch-speaks-at-world-copyright-summit/id=4004/#comment-5217</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where does Senator Hatch&#039;s data come from? Is there hard data, or are these generous estimates contrived to make a minor problem seem earth shattering?</description>
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		<title>By: john white</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/06/09/senator-hatch-speaks-at-world-copyright-summit/id=4004/#comment-5132</link>
		<dc:creator>john white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, good for Copyright holder&#039;s everywhere. Clearly the people in that room have the attention of Senator Hatch. When was the last time a Legislator of his stature spoke to a gathering of genuine patent types? I know we&#039;re not nearly as fun as the entertainment and TM crowd, but give us a chance! Now, let&#039;s bring that same level of focus and understanding to patents. And, I might add, this does not mean a &quot;lobbyist&#039;s understanding of patents&quot;, but rather a real appreciation of what happens and why in the trenches at the PTO, in the District Coutrs, and at the CAFC. I agree patent law and procedure are more &quot;obtuse&quot; (Sen. Feinstein), but with some tweeks, the system roars back to life. Innovation is the bedrock of the American dream. How about a Tax credit for PTO filing, issue, and maintenance fees? How about Making current Rule 56 into the statute wrt Inequitable Conduct? What is currently on the table for patent reform is like current medical treatments for cancer, to wit:  &quot;that which does not kill you makes you stronger&quot; sort of therapy. Slim down and silver bullet what they&#039;ve got, big changes mean big uncertainty and the system lacks the resources to implement many of these things anyway. Tweeks, not wholesale caving to various well connected interests, are what is necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, good for Copyright holder&#8217;s everywhere. Clearly the people in that room have the attention of Senator Hatch. When was the last time a Legislator of his stature spoke to a gathering of genuine patent types? I know we&#8217;re not nearly as fun as the entertainment and TM crowd, but give us a chance! Now, let&#8217;s bring that same level of focus and understanding to patents. And, I might add, this does not mean a &#8220;lobbyist&#8217;s understanding of patents&#8221;, but rather a real appreciation of what happens and why in the trenches at the PTO, in the District Coutrs, and at the CAFC. I agree patent law and procedure are more &#8220;obtuse&#8221; (Sen. Feinstein), but with some tweeks, the system roars back to life. Innovation is the bedrock of the American dream. How about a Tax credit for PTO filing, issue, and maintenance fees? How about Making current Rule 56 into the statute wrt Inequitable Conduct? What is currently on the table for patent reform is like current medical treatments for cancer, to wit:  &#8220;that which does not kill you makes you stronger&#8221; sort of therapy. Slim down and silver bullet what they&#8217;ve got, big changes mean big uncertainty and the system lacks the resources to implement many of these things anyway. Tweeks, not wholesale caving to various well connected interests, are what is necessary.</p>
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