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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James:   I have the same exact degree as you, which tells me that I will have to try to qualify under Category B.  Did you ever try that route?  If so, were you successful?  Where did you get your MSE degree, if you don&#039;t mind my asking?

Thanks,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James:   I have the same exact degree as you, which tells me that I will have to try to qualify under Category B.  Did you ever try that route?  If so, were you successful?  Where did you get your MSE degree, if you don&#8217;t mind my asking?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Feigin, Patent Attorney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Feigin, Patent Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Filling out the paperwork to take the exam is an exam in and of itself.  One thing I didn&#039;t realize is that when you apply, they give you a 90 day window starting from.... whenever they decide to send you authorization.  I called and called and called to try and get an extension thinking I&#039;d for sure need more time (it was 1 week after my last final in law school at the time).  No one ever answered the phone or returned phone calls.  So... I took the PLI course which happened to finish the day before my 90 days were up, scheduled the exam for the last day possible, and ... PASSED.

The test is really easy on computer... the most important info I learned at the PLI course was in the very beginning.  Memorize the chapter numbers that are important!  Then, you can open a PDF version of a chapter and hit &quot;Ctrl-F&quot; (find) until you find the text in your question... the questions are taken right out of the MPEP.  Also, memorize the tough questions on prior exams... they re-appeared verbatim and to this day, there&#039;s one question I still don&#039;t understand, but I got it right because I memorized the answer choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Filling out the paperwork to take the exam is an exam in and of itself.  One thing I didn&#8217;t realize is that when you apply, they give you a 90 day window starting from&#8230;. whenever they decide to send you authorization.  I called and called and called to try and get an extension thinking I&#8217;d for sure need more time (it was 1 week after my last final in law school at the time).  No one ever answered the phone or returned phone calls.  So&#8230; I took the PLI course which happened to finish the day before my 90 days were up, scheduled the exam for the last day possible, and &#8230; PASSED.</p>
<p>The test is really easy on computer&#8230; the most important info I learned at the PLI course was in the very beginning.  Memorize the chapter numbers that are important!  Then, you can open a PDF version of a chapter and hit &#8220;Ctrl-F&#8221; (find) until you find the text in your question&#8230; the questions are taken right out of the MPEP.  Also, memorize the tough questions on prior exams&#8230; they re-appeared verbatim and to this day, there&#8217;s one question I still don&#8217;t understand, but I got it right because I memorized the answer choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James-

Trust me, I feel your frustration.  I hear this over and over.  It is also particularly frustrating in the computer science area that the best, most respected programs in the country do not have the accreditation the USPTO requires for Category A because that particular accreditation is considered largely to be a joke by the industry.

Hopefully better days are coming, but Kappos certainly has other, more important issues to fix before getting to the patent bar exam, which is truly sad in and of itself.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James-</p>
<p>Trust me, I feel your frustration.  I hear this over and over.  It is also particularly frustrating in the computer science area that the best, most respected programs in the country do not have the accreditation the USPTO requires for Category A because that particular accreditation is considered largely to be a joke by the industry.</p>
<p>Hopefully better days are coming, but Kappos certainly has other, more important issues to fix before getting to the patent bar exam, which is truly sad in and of itself.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sgiles-

If you are asking what one could due to become familiar with patent law prior to actually studying for the patent bar exam what I recommend is you get a copy of Patent Law, Third Edition, by Janice Mueller.  See:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0735578311?tag=ipwatchdogcom&amp;camp=213381&amp;creative=390973&amp;linkCode=as4&amp;creativeASIN=0735578311&amp;adid=06WFZGNQXDNWD0PKB9XW&amp;

This is an excellent primer on patent law.  It is easy to read, correct and it will give you some good basic understanding of patent law.  It is excellent as a study aide for law students, and as a bring you up to speed quick reference for engineers, scientists and inventors.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sgiles-</p>
<p>If you are asking what one could due to become familiar with patent law prior to actually studying for the patent bar exam what I recommend is you get a copy of Patent Law, Third Edition, by Janice Mueller.  See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0735578311?tag=ipwatchdogcom&#038;camp=213381&#038;creative=390973&#038;linkCode=as4&#038;creativeASIN=0735578311&#038;adid=06WFZGNQXDNWD0PKB9XW&#038;amp" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/dp/0735578311?tag=ipwatchdogcom&#038;camp=213381&#038;creative=390973&#038;linkCode=as4&#038;creativeASIN=0735578311&#038;adid=06WFZGNQXDNWD0PKB9XW&#038;amp</a>;</p>
<p>This is an excellent primer on patent law.  It is easy to read, correct and it will give you some good basic understanding of patent law.  It is excellent as a study aide for law students, and as a bring you up to speed quick reference for engineers, scientists and inventors.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: sgiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if it is not necessarily wise to take a review course before completing the Patent Bar prerequisites, can you recommend study materials/procedure for individuals in the midst of taking classes to satisfy the required threshold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if it is not necessarily wise to take a review course before completing the Patent Bar prerequisites, can you recommend study materials/procedure for individuals in the midst of taking classes to satisfy the required threshold?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene,

I majored in Materials Science &amp; Engineering, and it absolutely baffles me how the Patent Bar exam doesn&#039;t recognize it under Category A. Just like how the exam itself is completely outdated, the requirements for sitting in the exam are ridiculous - it has ceramic engineering and metallurgy as Category A and there isn&#039;t probably not a single university left in the US that hasn&#039;t grouped their ceramic department/metallurgy departments together and rename as Materials Science. My Materials Science building has the words &quot;Building of Metallurgy&quot; engraved in stone at the entrance - that was engraved more than 80 years ago. Sorry, I had to get it out. It&#039;s just ridiculous.

James.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>I majored in Materials Science &amp; Engineering, and it absolutely baffles me how the Patent Bar exam doesn&#8217;t recognize it under Category A. Just like how the exam itself is completely outdated, the requirements for sitting in the exam are ridiculous &#8211; it has ceramic engineering and metallurgy as Category A and there isn&#8217;t probably not a single university left in the US that hasn&#8217;t grouped their ceramic department/metallurgy departments together and rename as Materials Science. My Materials Science building has the words &#8220;Building of Metallurgy&#8221; engraved in stone at the entrance &#8211; that was engraved more than 80 years ago. Sorry, I had to get it out. It&#8217;s just ridiculous.</p>
<p>James.</p>
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		<title>By: JRC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience with the OED a few years ago largely tracks with what you written.  I have an undergraduate degree in Computer Science from Stanford, but Stanford&#039;s program is not ABET accredited (and so Category A qualification was out).  I was also one physics class short of automatic qualification under Category B.iv since I had decided to take a chemistry class rather than a physics class to finish up my science requirement while at school.   I otherwise had more than enough science/engineering units to meet qualification.

I wrote to the OED to see if they would consider letting me sit for the patent bar even though I did not meet the explicit requirements.  I wanted to avoid taking an extra physics class if I did not need to do so.  The OED told me that they could not give me any info and the only way they would make a decision would be if I applied to sit for the exam.

I then applied to sit for the exam and included arguments &amp; documentation to show that my background was sufficient to sit under Category B.xii (other training - where the OED states they will consider other factors on a case-by-case basis).  I mainly described the full body of my coursework and laid out why I believed I was qualified to sit.  I was pleased when they granted my request, and I was allowed to take (and ultimately pass) the patent bar without having to take an additional physics class.  It was not difficult to schedule a patent bar review course within the 90 days, and I took the exam toward the end of the 90 day window.

So, my advice would be that if you&#039;re close to the line in Cat. B and you can make a credible argument as to why you believe that you have sufficient technical expertise to sit, it may be worth applying to see if you can sit without investing the time to take a course at a community college or other institution.   If the OED grants your request, the 90-day window should be sufficient to take a review course and sit for the exam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience with the OED a few years ago largely tracks with what you written.  I have an undergraduate degree in Computer Science from Stanford, but Stanford&#8217;s program is not ABET accredited (and so Category A qualification was out).  I was also one physics class short of automatic qualification under Category B.iv since I had decided to take a chemistry class rather than a physics class to finish up my science requirement while at school.   I otherwise had more than enough science/engineering units to meet qualification.</p>
<p>I wrote to the OED to see if they would consider letting me sit for the patent bar even though I did not meet the explicit requirements.  I wanted to avoid taking an extra physics class if I did not need to do so.  The OED told me that they could not give me any info and the only way they would make a decision would be if I applied to sit for the exam.</p>
<p>I then applied to sit for the exam and included arguments &amp; documentation to show that my background was sufficient to sit under Category B.xii (other training &#8211; where the OED states they will consider other factors on a case-by-case basis).  I mainly described the full body of my coursework and laid out why I believed I was qualified to sit.  I was pleased when they granted my request, and I was allowed to take (and ultimately pass) the patent bar without having to take an additional physics class.  It was not difficult to schedule a patent bar review course within the 90 days, and I took the exam toward the end of the 90 day window.</p>
<p>So, my advice would be that if you&#8217;re close to the line in Cat. B and you can make a credible argument as to why you believe that you have sufficient technical expertise to sit, it may be worth applying to see if you can sit without investing the time to take a course at a community college or other institution.   If the OED grants your request, the 90-day window should be sufficient to take a review course and sit for the exam.</p>
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