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	<title>Comments on: Obviously Non-obvious and Patentable Inventions Part I</title>
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		<title>By: A Method to Spur the Economy Comprising Cutting Taxes &#124; IPWatchdog.com &#124; Patents &#38; Patent Law</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/11/17/obviously-non-obvious-and-patentable-inventions-part-i/id=7319/#comment-11476</link>
		<dc:creator>A Method to Spur the Economy Comprising Cutting Taxes &#124; IPWatchdog.com &#124; Patents &#38; Patent Law</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] in November of 2009, I wrote Obviously Non-obvious and Patentable Inventions Part I.  I have for some time wanted to return to this and continue with Part II, which really is implied [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-

To some extent you are correct.  TSM used to mean that if there was no teaching, suggestion or motivation then the invention could not be obvious.  After KSR if there is teaching, suggestion or motivation the invention is obvious, but may still be obvious even if there is a complete lack of objective evidence suggestion there is any teaching, suggestion or motivation found within the prior art.  Now without TSM an invention can be determined to be obvious based on the invention being common sense.  What the Supreme Court failed to do is provide any guidance with respect to what is common sense, so it now is largely a subjective test without any king of objective grounding.  

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-</p>
<p>To some extent you are correct.  TSM used to mean that if there was no teaching, suggestion or motivation then the invention could not be obvious.  After KSR if there is teaching, suggestion or motivation the invention is obvious, but may still be obvious even if there is a complete lack of objective evidence suggestion there is any teaching, suggestion or motivation found within the prior art.  Now without TSM an invention can be determined to be obvious based on the invention being common sense.  What the Supreme Court failed to do is provide any guidance with respect to what is common sense, so it now is largely a subjective test without any king of objective grounding.  </p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: American Cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if SCt is not going to defer to FedCir, which may not even be constitutional, at least they should be mindful that Congress was attempting to create predictability.  SCt seems to be offended by FedCir attempts to acheive predictability in patent cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if SCt is not going to defer to FedCir, which may not even be constitutional, at least they should be mindful that Congress was attempting to create predictability.  SCt seems to be offended by FedCir attempts to acheive predictability in patent cases.</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, add &quot;is&quot; to end of the first sentence in the first paragraph and &quot;require&quot; to the end of the last sentence in the first paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, add &#8220;is&#8221; to end of the first sentence in the first paragraph and &#8220;require&#8221; to the end of the last sentence in the first paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: EG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Congress established the FedCir to reduce uncertainty in patent law decisions to enhance the likelihood of predictable results in patent cases.&quot;

AC,

You and I are of like mind.  And up until 2006, SCOTUS pretty much let the Federal Circuit establish what patent law jurisprudcence.  With KSR International et al., that has all gone by the boards.  SCOTUS has no concept that what it says on patentability will need to be applied by ~6000 non-legally trained patent examiners, and KSR International (like Graham before it) provides nothing but a nebulous standard to apply under 35 USC 103.  Put differently, patent examiners are not equipped to do the &quot;fact finding&quot; that both KSR International and Graham.

The currently nonsensical Bilski &quot;machine or transformation&quot; test is one unfortunate consequence of SCOTUS ruffing up the Federal Circuit too often lately.  I&#039;m not saying the Federal Circuit always get it right (recently they&#039;ve shown too much abitlity to get it wrong or create confusion as to what&#039;s right).  But SCOTUS would do well to heed the mandate by Congress when it created the Federal Circuit, and be more &quot;sensitive&quot; in when to take patent cases from the Federal Circuit, and in especially understanding that the Federal Circuit, not SCOTUS, was intended to be the primary source of patent law jurisprudence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Congress established the FedCir to reduce uncertainty in patent law decisions to enhance the likelihood of predictable results in patent cases.&#8221;</p>
<p>AC,</p>
<p>You and I are of like mind.  And up until 2006, SCOTUS pretty much let the Federal Circuit establish what patent law jurisprudcence.  With KSR International et al., that has all gone by the boards.  SCOTUS has no concept that what it says on patentability will need to be applied by ~6000 non-legally trained patent examiners, and KSR International (like Graham before it) provides nothing but a nebulous standard to apply under 35 USC 103.  Put differently, patent examiners are not equipped to do the &#8220;fact finding&#8221; that both KSR International and Graham.</p>
<p>The currently nonsensical Bilski &#8220;machine or transformation&#8221; test is one unfortunate consequence of SCOTUS ruffing up the Federal Circuit too often lately.  I&#8217;m not saying the Federal Circuit always get it right (recently they&#8217;ve shown too much abitlity to get it wrong or create confusion as to what&#8217;s right).  But SCOTUS would do well to heed the mandate by Congress when it created the Federal Circuit, and be more &#8220;sensitive&#8221; in when to take patent cases from the Federal Circuit, and in especially understanding that the Federal Circuit, not SCOTUS, was intended to be the primary source of patent law jurisprudence.</p>
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		<title>By: Patent Gal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patent Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for an immensely entertaining article.  I love it!  Can&#039;t wait for the rest!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for an immensely entertaining article.  I love it!  Can&#8217;t wait for the rest!!</p>
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		<title>By: John Spevacek</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Spevacek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene

Nice post.  I like it.

As a PHOSITA, I have a question about TSM. It seems to me like they (The SCOTUS) didn&#039;t &quot;throw it out&quot;, but instead said that it use to be both a necessary and sufficient test, but it now is only necessary but not sufficient.  Is that correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene</p>
<p>Nice post.  I like it.</p>
<p>As a PHOSITA, I have a question about TSM. It seems to me like they (The SCOTUS) didn&#8217;t &#8220;throw it out&#8221;, but instead said that it use to be both a necessary and sufficient test, but it now is only necessary but not sufficient.  Is that correct?</p>
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		<title>By: American Cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene, a thought occurred to me recently and the KSR cases are an example.

Congress established the FedCir to reduce uncertainty in patent law decisions to enhance the likelihood of predictable results in patent cases.  That would reduce the need to ligigate and reduce its costs when needed.  If the outcome of a suit or a motion is pretty clear, the parties have reason to settle; if it is unclear, they can cast their lot with the judge&#039;s discretion.

When FedCir established the relatively bright line rule of TSM, it was trying to provide enough certainty in the law to yield Congress&#039;s intended result.   In another issue, FedCir used to hold that patentees who prove infringement almost automatically get awarded injunctions, but SCt made injunctions discretionary.

When the SCt reviews these precedents of FedCir, should they not give some deference to the Congressional intent to foster predictability.  Instead by saying that TSM is gobbledegook and such, they make patent litigation a crapshoot, raising the cost and need of litigation.  The patent litigators love it, but that does not make it good public policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, a thought occurred to me recently and the KSR cases are an example.</p>
<p>Congress established the FedCir to reduce uncertainty in patent law decisions to enhance the likelihood of predictable results in patent cases.  That would reduce the need to ligigate and reduce its costs when needed.  If the outcome of a suit or a motion is pretty clear, the parties have reason to settle; if it is unclear, they can cast their lot with the judge&#8217;s discretion.</p>
<p>When FedCir established the relatively bright line rule of TSM, it was trying to provide enough certainty in the law to yield Congress&#8217;s intended result.   In another issue, FedCir used to hold that patentees who prove infringement almost automatically get awarded injunctions, but SCt made injunctions discretionary.</p>
<p>When the SCt reviews these precedents of FedCir, should they not give some deference to the Congressional intent to foster predictability.  Instead by saying that TSM is gobbledegook and such, they make patent litigation a crapshoot, raising the cost and need of litigation.  The patent litigators love it, but that does not make it good public policy.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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