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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene,
I may be able to help you write about prototyping.  I&#039;ll contact you outside of this discussion.  
Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,<br />
I may be able to help you write about prototyping.  I&#8217;ll contact you outside of this discussion.<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom-

I hear stories about that a lot, and it sickens me.  Yes, moving forward from idea to invention to protection to prototype to market can and does cost a lot of money.  Spending $100K (or much more) is not unreasonable as long as there is a business plan and reasonable assurances that more will be made than spent.  Unfortunately, many inventors fall prey to those who tell them what they want to hear and spend massive amounts of money never really having done the homework and research necessary to in any way justify such expenditures from a business perspective.  It is great to dream, it is great to be committed and dedicated, but please treat inventing like a business --- this is ESSENTIAL certainly when you are investing so much money.

I don&#039;t know that there is a prototype counterpart if what you mean is acting like a watchdog or educational source.  That is where so many people do waste a lot of money.  

I think the key is to start out responsible but with as few funds as possible, then continue to research, review and move forward as information and circumstances warrant.  Little by little expend funds, and constantly reevaluate.  Only move forward if there is a good business reason to do so.  

I will try and write more about prototyping.  It is a sticky area.  The more you go down the path to proof the more valuable the invention, but that only makes sense if there is a market.

Thanks for reading.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom-</p>
<p>I hear stories about that a lot, and it sickens me.  Yes, moving forward from idea to invention to protection to prototype to market can and does cost a lot of money.  Spending $100K (or much more) is not unreasonable as long as there is a business plan and reasonable assurances that more will be made than spent.  Unfortunately, many inventors fall prey to those who tell them what they want to hear and spend massive amounts of money never really having done the homework and research necessary to in any way justify such expenditures from a business perspective.  It is great to dream, it is great to be committed and dedicated, but please treat inventing like a business &#8212; this is ESSENTIAL certainly when you are investing so much money.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that there is a prototype counterpart if what you mean is acting like a watchdog or educational source.  That is where so many people do waste a lot of money.  </p>
<p>I think the key is to start out responsible but with as few funds as possible, then continue to research, review and move forward as information and circumstances warrant.  Little by little expend funds, and constantly reevaluate.  Only move forward if there is a good business reason to do so.  </p>
<p>I will try and write more about prototyping.  It is a sticky area.  The more you go down the path to proof the more valuable the invention, but that only makes sense if there is a market.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What amount of money is just compensation for losing your family?  Inventors like Kearns are a sad twist in the American dream.  I watched just one episode of American Inventor last year and couldn&#039;t take any more.  It was the guy who spent 100K of his family and friend&#039;s money to prototype a plastic scoop.  Gene, I applaud your straight talk approach to IP.  Hopefully you have helped talk some people out of blowing everything.  

Is there a prototype, product development counterpart to what you do?  People waste a lot of money there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What amount of money is just compensation for losing your family?  Inventors like Kearns are a sad twist in the American dream.  I watched just one episode of American Inventor last year and couldn&#8217;t take any more.  It was the guy who spent 100K of his family and friend&#8217;s money to prototype a plastic scoop.  Gene, I applaud your straight talk approach to IP.  Hopefully you have helped talk some people out of blowing everything.  </p>
<p>Is there a prototype, product development counterpart to what you do?  People waste a lot of money there too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike-

PLI didn&#039;t fund it, it was a segment of a program put together by some attorneys who did some research on their own and uncovered the patents.  My recollection is that the search they did specifically found intermittent wipers.  

Yes, I see that the total was $30 million, but your comment earlier said he received that amount from Ford.  That was the sum all together as I understand it.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike-</p>
<p>PLI didn&#8217;t fund it, it was a segment of a program put together by some attorneys who did some research on their own and uncovered the patents.  My recollection is that the search they did specifically found intermittent wipers.  </p>
<p>Yes, I see that the total was $30 million, but your comment earlier said he received that amount from Ford.  That was the sum all together as I understand it.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I didn&#039;t know a prior art search was done that found likely invalidating art.  Was that funded by PLI?  Did the search reveal an a wiper system capable of intermittency?  If an intermittant wiping system was truly a breakthrough, do you think his patent attorney could have sought claims for the mere function of an intermittent windshield wiper? 

Based on the link to the NY Times I posted up there, the 30M number was the total of the settlements and the judgment from Ford and Chrysler, and those came after trials in both cases.  I checked a Washington Post to confirm (although they could be citing the same source).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I didn&#8217;t know a prior art search was done that found likely invalidating art.  Was that funded by PLI?  Did the search reveal an a wiper system capable of intermittency?  If an intermittant wiping system was truly a breakthrough, do you think his patent attorney could have sought claims for the mere function of an intermittent windshield wiper? </p>
<p>Based on the link to the NY Times I posted up there, the 30M number was the total of the settlements and the judgment from Ford and Chrysler, and those came after trials in both cases.  I checked a Washington Post to confirm (although they could be citing the same source).</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike-

Pretty sure you have it backwards.  The pre-litigation offers were much higher and what he won at trial was lower.  He didn&#039;t settle with Ford for $30 million, it was closer to $10 million, although all of his litigation efforts against a multitude of companies probably reached to close to $30 million.  Reports on the Internet and in newspapers are all over the map on how much he won.  What seems to be consistent is that his lawyers received close to 40%, his wife received about 10% and Kearns alienated his family and became obsessed.  The reason the pre-litigation offers were rejected were apparently because they were not willing to admit they copied his invention.  He wanted credit and kept fighting.  PLI did a very interesting presentation on Kearns and his patents right before the movie came out.  They talked about the history of the case and then did a mock argument based on prior art that was never found and asserted against Kearns.  It seems that his patents probably should have been lost and his claims likely invalid based on newly discovered prior art.  Who knows?  It was still an excellent thought experiment.

-Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike-</p>
<p>Pretty sure you have it backwards.  The pre-litigation offers were much higher and what he won at trial was lower.  He didn&#8217;t settle with Ford for $30 million, it was closer to $10 million, although all of his litigation efforts against a multitude of companies probably reached to close to $30 million.  Reports on the Internet and in newspapers are all over the map on how much he won.  What seems to be consistent is that his lawyers received close to 40%, his wife received about 10% and Kearns alienated his family and became obsessed.  The reason the pre-litigation offers were rejected were apparently because they were not willing to admit they copied his invention.  He wanted credit and kept fighting.  PLI did a very interesting presentation on Kearns and his patents right before the movie came out.  They talked about the history of the case and then did a mock argument based on prior art that was never found and asserted against Kearns.  It seems that his patents probably should have been lost and his claims likely invalid based on newly discovered prior art.  Who knows?  It was still an excellent thought experiment.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a clarification: Robert Kearns was awarded about $30M between a settlement from Ford after Kearn beat ford at the trial court level and from Chyristler after they lost their petition to have the Supreme Court review their loss to Kearns in the lower courts.    I believe the prelitigation offers to settle were much lower than the judgments.   http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/26/obituaries/26kearns.html?_r=1  I agree with your post, it&#039;s a good for for inventors to read.  Have you seen Flash of Genius with Greg Kinneer? It was about Robert Kearns&#039; story.  Good movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a clarification: Robert Kearns was awarded about $30M between a settlement from Ford after Kearn beat ford at the trial court level and from Chyristler after they lost their petition to have the Supreme Court review their loss to Kearns in the lower courts.    I believe the prelitigation offers to settle were much lower than the judgments.   <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/26/obituaries/26kearns.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/26/obituaries/26kearns.html?_r=1</a>  I agree with your post, it&#8217;s a good for for inventors to read.  Have you seen Flash of Genius with Greg Kinneer? It was about Robert Kearns&#8217; story.  Good movie.</p>
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