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	<title>Comments on: The Law of Recipes: Are Recipes Patentable?</title>
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		<title>By: Wayne Thibeaux</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-125552</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Thibeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work for a quickly growing and very successful grocery company who is a HUGE player in the houston grocery market that even started dwarfing the Kroger chain. I have several recipes, which I had with me upon hire, that I created and that have been very profitable to this grocer when I make them at the deli. Recently one of the top execs came by and sampled them and he flipped out over how delicious they were and asked me and my store manager why we aren,t already increasing production on these items. They want to start the process of putting it under their own brand name by introducing them at a corporate luncheon. When I asked if I would see a piece of the pie through a promotion, raise, position change, etc. I was told no and they just want the recipes. I have even been warned that I need to hand over the recipes. How can I protect my interests in my creations. Are there lawyers out there who are willing help out us regular hardworking joe&#039;s? This means millions in sales for this company and they know it by the large loyal following of clientel it generates that only come to the store for these items and the record sales numbers the items generate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a quickly growing and very successful grocery company who is a HUGE player in the houston grocery market that even started dwarfing the Kroger chain. I have several recipes, which I had with me upon hire, that I created and that have been very profitable to this grocer when I make them at the deli. Recently one of the top execs came by and sampled them and he flipped out over how delicious they were and asked me and my store manager why we aren,t already increasing production on these items. They want to start the process of putting it under their own brand name by introducing them at a corporate luncheon. When I asked if I would see a piece of the pie through a promotion, raise, position change, etc. I was told no and they just want the recipes. I have even been warned that I need to hand over the recipes. How can I protect my interests in my creations. Are there lawyers out there who are willing help out us regular hardworking joe&#8217;s? This means millions in sales for this company and they know it by the large loyal following of clientel it generates that only come to the store for these items and the record sales numbers the items generate.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-42320</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 19:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff-

You can only use &quot;patent pending&quot; if you actually have a patent application actually pending.  If you have no patent application pending it would be a violation of fair trade practice laws to use &quot;patent pending.&quot;

-Gene]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff-</p>
<p>You can only use &#8220;patent pending&#8221; if you actually have a patent application actually pending.  If you have no patent application pending it would be a violation of fair trade practice laws to use &#8220;patent pending.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-42316</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 19:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re.  The marketing section.  Can we print out a bunch of &quot;Patent pending&quot; menus during the process and continue to use them after, or do we have to destroy and reprint the menus when the patent gets rejected (on the remote possibility that our marguerita recipe isn&#039;t patentable after all...)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re.  The marketing section.  Can we print out a bunch of &#8220;Patent pending&#8221; menus during the process and continue to use them after, or do we have to destroy and reprint the menus when the patent gets rejected (on the remote possibility that our marguerita recipe isn&#8217;t patentable after all&#8230;)?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Risch</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-26968</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Risch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gene - we&#039;ll see, once someone agrees to publish!

Paulanne - I mention recipes for pigment in my draft article, making the point that it&#039;s unclear why a pigment recipe should be patentable, but not an edible recipe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene &#8211; we&#8217;ll see, once someone agrees to publish!</p>
<p>Paulanne &#8211; I mention recipes for pigment in my draft article, making the point that it&#8217;s unclear why a pigment recipe should be patentable, but not an edible recipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-26823</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paulanne-

In an earlier version of the article I did mention in one paragraph the difficulty of enforcing a recipe patent, but as the article developed it started to get long.  I also felt that the trouble of enforcing in this area is not peculiar to recipes and is shared with all methods.  I anticipate writing an article about this issue more broadly in the coming weeks.

Thanks.

-Gene]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulanne-</p>
<p>In an earlier version of the article I did mention in one paragraph the difficulty of enforcing a recipe patent, but as the article developed it started to get long.  I also felt that the trouble of enforcing in this area is not peculiar to recipes and is shared with all methods.  I anticipate writing an article about this issue more broadly in the coming weeks.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-26822</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[T.W. Saur-

With all due respect, this article is not intended to address what may be novel or what may be nonobvious.  There was certainly something that could have been protected had the patent and claims been drafted properly in order to take into account prior art that they should have known about.  Furthermore, the Wikipedia entry you cite also states that the Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences overturned the patent examiner&#039;s rejections over the prior art in the reexamination proceeding, thus Smuckers did identify patent eligible material in the case, despite what you suggest.  If Wikipedia is to be trusted (I haven&#039;t found the BPAI decision) the Board issued other grounds of rejection regarding vagueness, but Smuckers never responded.  A vagueness rejection is rather easy to overcome.  All you have to do is be more clear.  Smuckers obviously didn&#039;t want to continue spending money to obtain the patent, otherwise they surely could have.

So this is really a story about needing to carefully consider the prior art and draft a patent application with the prior art in mind.  It also is a cautionary tale about how narrow you will likely have to make your claims in order to obtain a patent on a recipe or food item.  Finally, it is a cautionary tale about what happens when you give up and cease participating in an application even after a patentable invention has been identified.  Here a patentable invention was identified but the claims were not believed to be definite. Fixing that problem would have been rather easy.

-Gene]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T.W. Saur-</p>
<p>With all due respect, this article is not intended to address what may be novel or what may be nonobvious.  There was certainly something that could have been protected had the patent and claims been drafted properly in order to take into account prior art that they should have known about.  Furthermore, the Wikipedia entry you cite also states that the Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences overturned the patent examiner&#8217;s rejections over the prior art in the reexamination proceeding, thus Smuckers did identify patent eligible material in the case, despite what you suggest.  If Wikipedia is to be trusted (I haven&#8217;t found the BPAI decision) the Board issued other grounds of rejection regarding vagueness, but Smuckers never responded.  A vagueness rejection is rather easy to overcome.  All you have to do is be more clear.  Smuckers obviously didn&#8217;t want to continue spending money to obtain the patent, otherwise they surely could have.</p>
<p>So this is really a story about needing to carefully consider the prior art and draft a patent application with the prior art in mind.  It also is a cautionary tale about how narrow you will likely have to make your claims in order to obtain a patent on a recipe or food item.  Finally, it is a cautionary tale about what happens when you give up and cease participating in an application even after a patentable invention has been identified.  Here a patentable invention was identified but the claims were not believed to be definite. Fixing that problem would have been rather easy.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: T.W. Saur</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-26820</link>
		<dc:creator>T.W. Saur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gene,

With all due respect, your example of the crustless peanut butter and jelly sandwich is an example of what CAN NOT be patented.

 From Wikipedia:
Sealed crustless sandwichIn December 1999, two independent inventors, Len Kretchman and David Geske, were granted U.S. patent,[3] &quot;Sealed Crustless Sandwich&quot; for a peanut butter sandwich that would have a long shelf life. The J.M. Smucker Co. bought the patent from the inventors and developed a commercial product based on the patent called Uncrustables. Smuckers then invested US$17 million in a new factory[4] to produce the product. By 2005, sales of Uncrustables had grown to $60 million a year with a 20% per year growth rate.

Smuckers attempted to enforce their patent rights by sending out cease and desist letters to competitors, and by expanding their intellectual property coverage via the patenting of a machine to produce Uncrustables sandwiches in high volume U.S. Patent 6,874,409 &quot;Method and apparatus for making commercial crustless sandwiches and the crustless sandwich made thereby&quot;. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, however, rejected the viability of the patent citing its similarity to existing processes such as that of fashioning ravioli or a pie crust.[5]

Regards,

Tom S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>With all due respect, your example of the crustless peanut butter and jelly sandwich is an example of what CAN NOT be patented.</p>
<p> From Wikipedia:<br />
Sealed crustless sandwichIn December 1999, two independent inventors, Len Kretchman and David Geske, were granted U.S. patent,[3] &#8220;Sealed Crustless Sandwich&#8221; for a peanut butter sandwich that would have a long shelf life. The J.M. Smucker Co. bought the patent from the inventors and developed a commercial product based on the patent called Uncrustables. Smuckers then invested US$17 million in a new factory[4] to produce the product. By 2005, sales of Uncrustables had grown to $60 million a year with a 20% per year growth rate.</p>
<p>Smuckers attempted to enforce their patent rights by sending out cease and desist letters to competitors, and by expanding their intellectual property coverage via the patenting of a machine to produce Uncrustables sandwiches in high volume U.S. Patent 6,874,409 &#8220;Method and apparatus for making commercial crustless sandwiches and the crustless sandwich made thereby&#8221;. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, however, rejected the viability of the patent citing its similarity to existing processes such as that of fashioning ravioli or a pie crust.[5]</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Tom S.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulanne Chelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulanne Chelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gene, you might have included some mention of why one obtains a patent, and what difficulties one might face in trying to enforce a recipe patent.  Also, recipe patents extend far beyond food products and include things like cell culture media and pharmaceutical formulations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, you might have included some mention of why one obtains a patent, and what difficulties one might face in trying to enforce a recipe patent.  Also, recipe patents extend far beyond food products and include things like cell culture media and pharmaceutical formulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-26792</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael-

When you get done with the article I&#039;d love to publish an executive summary here with link back to your longer work.  That sounds like a fun, fascinating project.

-Gene]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael-</p>
<p>When you get done with the article I&#8217;d love to publish an executive summary here with link back to your longer work.  That sounds like a fun, fascinating project.</p>
<p>-Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Risch</title>
		<link>http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/#comment-26785</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Risch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are recipes for brandy from the early 1800&#039;s...I mention them in an article I&#039;m working on called &quot;America&#039;s First Patents&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are recipes for brandy from the early 1800&#8242;s&#8230;I mention them in an article I&#8217;m working on called &#8220;America&#8217;s First Patents&#8221;</p>
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