Industry Reaction to the Federal Circuit’s Decision in Aqua Products v. Matal

By Gene Quinn
October 4, 2017

Earlier today the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit issued a narrow ruling in Aqua Products v. Matal, which held that the petitioner in an inter partes review (IPR) proceeding bears the burden of persuasion with respect to demonstrating the unpatentability of any amended claims requested by the patent owner. This en banc decision overrules a number of previous panel decisions. See Federal Circuit decides Aqua Products.

“Aqua Products is pleased with the Federal Circuit’s decision, which is based on a sound interpretation of the IPR statute,” said James Barney, a partner with Finnegan Henderson and the lead attorney for Aqua Products.  “Aqua Products is looking forward to continuing to defend its intellectual property rights before the Patent Trial and Appeal Board.”

While there is much to analyze and digest, I’ve asked a distinguished panel of industry experts to provide their instant analysis. What follows is their first-take reaction to this most recent, and important, Federal Circuit decision.

 

Todd Dickinson
Senior Partner, Polsinelli

The basic outcome, i.e. that the petitioner maintains the burden of proof of proving unpatentability, even in the amendment process, primarily because the PTO didn’t adopt an unambiguous rule to the contrary, seems in keeping with the policy concerns of patent stakeholders, who generally felt the Office’s interpretation was wrong. On the other hand, how they got there……craziness. I don’t think that I’ve ever seen such a collection of procedural somersaults and arcane discussion masquerading as an appellate opinion. This from the main opinion Conclusion seems to have captured the gestalt:

This process has not been easy. We are proceeding without a full court, and those judges who are participating disagree over a host of issues. As frustrating as it is for all who put so much thought and effort into this matter, very little said over the course of the many pages that form the five opinions in this case has precedential weight… All the rest of our cogitations, whatever label we have placed on them, are just that—cogitations. Even our discussions on whether the statute is ambiguous are mere academic exercises.

This also has the potential to get caught up in the rapidly growing debate of whether to reduce or eliminate Chevron deference, now a big policy issue with movement conservatives. See in particular J. Moore’s opinion.

Todd Dickinson has been Chief IP Counsel for two Fortune 50 companies, and served President Bill Clinton as Under Secretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property and Director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. He is now a Senior Partner with Polsinelli in the firm’s Washinton, DC office.

 

Russell Slifer
Principal, Schwegman Lundberg & Woessner

Aqua Products is a sound decision that helps to add needed balance to post-grant proceedings. The Court carefully examined the entire AIA and its legislative history to conclude that “Congress explicitly placed the burden of persuasion to prove propositions of unpatentability on the petitioner for all claims, including amended claims.” Not all patent owners wish to amend claims in an IPR, but for those that choose this approach, the decision properly places the burden of showing that the claims are unpatentable on the Petitioner. The Court was clear that “[i]f the Board decides that an original or entered amended claim overcomes the petitioner’s unpatentability challenge, the claim is “patentable” and treated as a valid claim, regardless of how the claim arose.”

The USPTO should begin to carefully craft new PTAB procedures to accommodate motions for claim amendment. For example, once the Patent Owner files a motion to amend claims that do not impermissibly enlarge the scope of the claims, and do not introduce new subject matter, the Petitioner, and perhaps the Patent Owner, should be allowed to file additional brief(s) focused on how the art cited in the petition applies to the new or amended claims.

The Court did not fully decide whether the PTAB “may sua sponte raise patentability challenges to a proposed amended claim.” Instead, the Court stated that the PTAB “must take account of all the evidence of record” and issue its final decision on the patenability of the claims that is not ‘arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law.’ I am not sure how to reconcile this part of the decision with the lengthy burden of proof discussion. There is little room for a sua sponte unpatentability decision if, based on the evidence of record, the Petitioner has failed to meet its burden. Here it would be wise for the USPTO and the PTAB to consider limiting all Board decisions wholly to the record developed during the proceeding. Eliminate the opportunity for a panel to issue a sua sponte reason for unpatentability. There is no need for this legal issue to be raised again in a future appeal. The PTAB is charged with deciding contentions set forth in a petition. The PTAB is not tasked with performing its own examination, does not have the appropriate time or tools for independent examination and should not put itself in that position.

Russell Slifer is a Principal at Schwegman Lundberg & Woessner and former Deputy Under Secretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property & Deputy Director of the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

 

Melissa Brand
Director of IP Policy at BIO

The many opinions today in Aqua Products, Inc. v. Matal reflect the difficulties the Federal Circuit has faced in assessing the PTO’s authority under the America Invents Act (AIA), as well as the Agency’s compliance with the Administrative Procedures Act. The essential question in this case was whether the PTO could place the burden of proving the patentability of a proposed claim amendment on a patent owner in an agency inter partes review (IPR) proceeding. With the court split as to whether the statute was ambiguous, per Chevron, the judges had to assess whether Congress delegated to the PTO the power to fill the alleged statutory gap and whether the PTO in doing so adopted an interpretation through an appropriate mechanism, such as rule making pursuant to notice and comment, that would require deference. The majority of judges agreed that, assuming the statute is ambiguous, the PTO had not promulgated an interpretation to which the court owed deference.

This is a welcome result for patent owners. As Judge O’Malley emphasized in her opinion, Congress and interested parties, including the PTO itself, acknowledged during the adoption of the AIA the importance of permitting patent owners to amend their claims during an IPR. This was largely due to the desire to avoid the win- or lose-all result seen in district court litigation. For five years since the implementation of the AIA, patent owners have seen IPR proceedings evolve in a way that is often inconsistent with the goals of the legislation. The outcome of this case restores the expectation that patent owners will be permitted to amend their claims during an IPR, as intended and promised by the statute.

Melissa Brand is Associate Counsel and Director of Intellectual Property Policy at the Biotechnology Innovation Organization (BIO).

 

John White
Partner, Berenato & White

It is a sad day indeed that requires an en banc decision of the CAFC to obtain a plain reading of the statute. The right of amendment was clearly contemplated as a vital element in “leveling” the PTAB IPR/PGR/CBM playing field between petitioner and patent owner; and this right has been thoroughly flouted by the PTO administration, the PTAB and, until this decision, most of the CAFC. Sad.

This decision puts neon highlights around what is wrong with the PTAB process as it pursues the political outcome of ridding the system of “troublesome”, aka: “commercially valuable”, patents. The “right to amend” is a fundamental counter balance to BRI claim interpretation. Ie, if the claim can actually be read in such a broad fashion, then a patent owner should reasonably be allowed to adjust or compensate for such an unintended or erroneous reading. As I said: fundamental. Yet ignored. Hopefully this decision will lead to routine amendment in PTAB proceedings.

John White has more than 30 years experience in all aspects of intellectual property, including patent prosecution, litigation, infringement and validity analysis and opinion writing. Mr. White has also served as an expert witness in numerous patent litigation matters, and has taught over half of all patent practitioners how to pass the patent bar exam.

 

Ashley Keller
Managing Director, Buford Capital

The real takeaway comes in Judge O’Malley’s conclusion. The Federal Circuit has once again produced a fractured jumble of musings (or “cogitations,” as Judge O’Malley calls them) that provide litigants, lawyers, and the PTO with precious little guidance on the legal questions presented. The Supreme Court must, once again, be called upon to disambiguate the issues. Fortunately, application (or repudiation) of the Chevron doctrine is well within the high Court’s ken.

Nonetheless, Aqua Products v. Matal marks yet another Federal Circuit judgment that, as Judge O’Malley notes, spills much ink over five opinions with little or no precedential value. Chief Justice Marshall famously observed in Marbury v. Madison that it is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. Yet time and again, the Federal Circuit seems utterly incapable of plainly announcing the law of patents. One could be forgiven for wondering if the Republic is truly well served entrusting such a tribunal with exclusive jurisdiction over patent appeals.

Ashley Keller co-founded Gerchen Keller Capital and as Managing Director helped steer its growth to $1.3 billion in assets under management prior to its acquisition by Burford. Mr. Keller also served as a law clerk for Judge Richard Posner at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit and Justice Anthony M. Kennedy at the Supreme Court of the United States.

 

Alden AbbottAlden Abbott
Heritage Foundation

In its October 4 en banc Aqua Products decision, the Federal Circuit commendably held that the America Invents Act’s statutory burden, set forth in 35 U.S.C. § 316(e), requires the petitioner in PTAB inter partes reviews (IPRs) to prove all propositions of unpatentability, including for amended claims. The en banc majority also determined that Congress made clear that patent owners may propose amendments to their patents as of right at least once in an IPR.

Although the Aqua Products decision is a positive development, however, it is of limited utility. Four of the eleven judges dissented (Judge Stoll did not participate), and two of the judges who concurred in the result joined the dissenters in part. In short, this en banc decision reveals a close and sharp split within the Federal Circuit on the questions addressed, raising questions about its durability. More fundamentally, the decision does nothing to alter the fundamental fact that PTAB proceedings are (as I and others have pointed out) plagued with due process deficiencies, fundamentally unfair, and of dubious constitutionality. What’s worse, PTAB review undermines American innovation. The Supreme Court should act boldly to strike down PTAB IPRs in the Oil States Energy case. In any event, Congress should eliminate PTAB legislatively as a “good government” measure.

Alden Abbott serves as Deputy Director of Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at The Heritage Foundation.

 

Jennifer BaileyJennifer Bailey
Partner, Erise IP

The Court’s decision that Petitioner bears the burden of unpatentability for amended claims is not surprising. As noted by the Court, this is consistent with Patent Office practice for other proceedings. What is surprising is the apparent dissension amongst the Court’s members. Judge O’Malley’s frankness regarding the difficulty of the Court to agree on a result or a rationale for the result is, without exaggeration, stunning. Such bluntness regarding the Court’s inner workings is unusual and, although refreshing, is also indicative of the difficulties in reconciling IPRs within the patent system of prosecution and litigation. It will be interesting to see if subsequent Board decisions on Motions to Amend influence the Supreme Court and its consideration of Oil States. If the Patent Owner has the ability to amend the claims under a less-severe rubric, then the constitutionality question presented in Oil States seems to be less glaring.

Jennifer Bailey specializes in post-grant review of patents and patent prosecution in the electrical, computer software, and electromechanical arts. Jennifer was lead counsel for Petitioner in the first IPR filed, Garmin v. Cuozzo.  Jennifer is also a past president of the Association of Intellectual Property Firms, which is an international association of law firms that devote a majority of their practice to intellectual property law.

 

Paul Morinville
Managing Director, US Inventor

It is good to see the Federal Circuit taking a deeper dive into how the PTAB conducts its reviews, even overruling prior decisions. I take this as a sign of hope that the courts will rein in the rogue and unjust PTAB even further in the future. Certainly, the right to amend claims is crucial to helping to bring fairness to PTAB reviews and placing the burden on the petitioner pushes the PTAB slightly closer to the presumed validity required in black letter law. However, amending claims brings with it other problems. I suspect that in most cases once the claims are amended intervening rights will be established. That means back damages will be lost and potentially willful infringement claims compromised.

In my view, this decision is very helpful, but there are still enormous problems with the PTAB that need to be addressed. I continue to believe that the only way to fix the PTAB is to kill it.

Paul Morinville is Managing Director of US Inventor, Inc., which is an inventor organization working in Washington DC and around the US to advocate for strong patent protection for inventors and startups.

 

Brian P. O’Shaughnessy
Partner, Dinsmore & Shohl

In Aqua Products Inc. v. Matal, the Federal Circuit, through the eloquence of Judge O’Malley, has finally affirmed the widely held notion that fundamental principles of equity and fairness, and adherence to the overall statutory structure of Title 35 USC, demands that patentees be allowed to amend claims in an Inter Partes Review proceeding; and that the burden must be on the petitioner to show, not only that one or more of the originally issued claims is likely invalid, but that alternative claims presented by the patentee in that proceeding are likewise unpatentable. In addition to the detailed statutory construction set out by the court, this result aligns with the statute as a whole. Generally, the statute subscribes to the proposition that an inventor is entitled to patent unless it can be shown that the claimed subject matter is not novel, or would have been obvious (among other grounds). The burden of proof for depriving an inventor of the patent right for an invention is upon the government. And now, the burden is likewise on one who would refute the grant by challenging the earlier determination of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

If we are to have faith and confidence in the expertise of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, and in the diligent execution of its duties, this is as it should be. We must assume that those duties are competently performed, and where it is shown that they have not been, we must nonetheless fall back on the existing paradigm where it is upon the challenger, not the inventor, to show that the inventor is or is not entitled to the patent grant. This seems especially fitting in a proceeding where the USPTO has determined that there is patentable subject matter, and a patent has been granted, but now the matter is being revisited in the context of the Inter Partes Review. But, as the court noted, the underlying burden of persuasion never shifts. The rights of the patentee remain, and the burden of persuasion should remain upon the challenger. Hopefully, this result will be cause for restoration of confidence in the work of the USPTO, and in the value and durability of the patent assets that it issues.

Brian O’Shaughnessy is president and chair of the board of the Licensing Executives Society, Inc. (USA and Canada) (LES). He is also a partner with Dinsmore & Shohl LLP in Washington, DC.

 

Edward KwokEdward Kwok
Partner, VLP Law Group

This decision up the ante for the defendant — levels the playing field for the patent owner, depending on who you represent – as there is a much higher chance that the defendant, not only losing the fight on invalidating the patent, may come out of the IPR with patent claims that are even harder to argue non-infringement.

Edward Kwok is a partner with VLP Law Group. His practice focuses on patent prosecution and Inter Partes adverse proceedings before the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, and intellectual property litigations in state and federal courts.

 

Cynthia Lambert Hardman
Partner, Goodwin Procter LLP

The mystery behind the long wait for the Federal Circuit’s en banc decision has now been solved. In a badly fractured opinion, the Court expressly overruled its prior cases holding that patent owners have the burden of proving that proposed amended claims submitted in an IPR are patentable. The Court now holds that it is petitioner who bears the burden of proving that proposed amended claims are unpatentable.

The judges filed five separate opinions, including two dissents. Most of the sparring concerned whether the Court owes Chevron deference to the PTO’s interpretations of its own regulations. Nevertheless, the majority’s opinion should give patent owners some comfort. The majority clearly sought to give more teeth to the amendment process, asserting that a robust amendment process was an important right accorded patent owners in the AIA. Under the majority’s view, once a patent owner meets the procedural requirements for presenting amended claims in a motion to amend, those claims become part of the post-grant proceeding, and it becomes petitioner’s burden to prove that they are unpatentable. The majority states that if a petitioner does not prove an amended claim to be unpatentable, the Board should find it patentable.

This framework suggests that patent owners should have an easier time amending claims–a right which has so far been illusory–leading to more patent owners filing such motions. This may make petitioners think twice before filing petitions. Patent owners may be able to narrow claims in a way that avoids prior art known to petitioners, while still ensnaring the petitioner’s product. Petitioners will also need to grapple with a potentially expanded scope of estoppel, because they may need to rely on additional prior art references to attack the proposed narrowed claims.

Cynthia Lambert Hardman is a partner in Goodwin’s IP Litigation Group and co-chair of the firm’s PTAB Practice. A registered patent attorney, Ms. Hardman also litigates before the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB) in post-grant proceedings such as inter partes reviews (IPRs).

 

Tom Engellenner
Partner, Pepper Hamilton

For some patent owners (e.g., plaintiffs in patent infringement suits), the Aqua Products decision may not be of strategic importance since amending claims in a post-grant review proceeding can extinguish one’s right to past infringement damages in an underlying federal court litigation.  However, for many other patent owners, Aqua Products will certainly change the calculus of how a patent owner responds to a challenge to its patent.  One thing for sure, the ability to amend a patent should put to the test the USPTO oft-repeated position that the PTAB’s use of the broadest reasonable interpretation almost never affects the outcome of an AIA proceeding.  Patent owners faced with what they consider to be an unreasonably broad interpretation of a claim element will now have an ability to correct the record – and defend their patents on their own terms.

Thomas J. Engellenner is a partner in the Intellectual Property Department of Pepper Hamilton LLP, resident in the Boston office. Mr. Engellenner’s practice includes patents, licensing, trademarks, copyrights and litigation.

 

Erik Oliver
Partner, Richardson Oliver Law Group

The 2011 AIA introduced the IPR as a mechanism to allow a faster, cheaper way for a company  to challenge a patent’s validity. On faster and cheaper, the AIA and IPRs have delivered. However, the right of the patent owner to amend claims during IPR has been mostly illusory due to rules established by the USPTO.

Todays ruling by the Federal Circuit in Aqua Products should make amendments a reality in IPR. Now, the right to amend guaranteed by statute in the AIA will come into play. Patent owners can amend and the petitioner will have to show that the amended claims are invalid. This will make amendments a more regular part of the IPR process.

All is not clear yet for IPRs: the the Supreme Court will rule on the constitutionality of IPRs later this term. Assuming IPRs continue, the IPR process that will emerge from Aqua Products case will be more robust. For those that have viewed the IPR process as serving as a “death squad” for patents, it is likely that this will prove to be a seismic shift in IPR process and may open new opportunities for both patent owners and challengers.

Erik Oliver counsels clients on patent, licensing and trademark matters. He brings nearly twenty years of patent prosecution, litigation, and licensing experience and a track record of millions of dollars in both patent and technology licensing deals.

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  1. Bemused October 4, 2017 6:48 pm

    This all feels to me like an 11th hour attempt by the CAFC to save the PTAB from elimination by the Oil States case. After all (or so the argument will likely go), if a patent holder can amend claims by rebutting a petitioner’s evidence that the amended claim is not patentable, then the arguments raised by the pro-patent crowd (which all generally relate to the one-sided ability of infringers to kill patents at the PTAB), lose some/much/all of their force.

    Also, the timing of this CAFC opinion is suspicious to me: After the petitioner and supporting amicus briefs in the Oil States case have been filed. And I’d wager a few shekels that amicus briefs in favor of respondent (which are due later this month) will highlight this opinion to SCOTUS as evidence that patent owners do get a fair shake at the PTAB by giving the burden of proof to petitioners to avoid claim amendments by patent owners.

  2. Invention Rights October 4, 2017 7:34 pm

    This is much ado about nothing. Amendment does nothing to help a patent owner, who can get narrowed claims in a continuation or reissue. All this does is put make-up on the PTAB pig so that the infringer lobby can argue later this month that the Supreme Court does not need to eliminate the PTAB, because it was “fixed” here.

  3. Anon October 4, 2017 7:46 pm

    IR,

    There is no “here” here in regards to fixing anything.

    This decision is so fractured and so narrow as to be close to meaningless. As Judge OMalley indicates – lot’s of cogitation, not a lot of substantive clarification.

    If anything else, when the entire en banc panel of the CAFC cannot see eye to eye and is so severely fractured, it is a good sign that the underlying law has been badly written. So, this is not a “we are all good” sign to the Supreme Court, and is in fact, quite the opposite.

  4. The Time Is Now To Act October 4, 2017 7:54 pm

    From Ms. Bailey:

    ‘If the Patent Owner has the ability to amend the claims under a less-severe rubric, then the constitutionality question presented in Oil States seems to be less glaring.’

    REALLY?

  5. Bemused October 4, 2017 7:55 pm

    Anon, I agree with you but the spin from the efficient infringer lobby to SCOTUS will be…”PTAB’s Fixed!!!”. And unfortunately, oft-times with these justices (particularly, in the patent context), perception trumps reality (as well as the law and common sense and statutory interpretation, and so forth and so on…).

  6. Anon October 5, 2017 7:05 am

    Realizing that the views being expressed in the article are those of “first impression,” I do find this article interesting as a litmus test of the commentators and their patent views.

    Some of the views expressed show a bit more “spin” than others. It is worth noting just who is giving that spin and just what topics are receiving that spin.

  7. Eric Berend October 5, 2017 9:03 am

    Late to the move, a roused CAFC rushes to save its bastard stepchild of patent diminution, the PTAB. IP pirates and their allies, fat with the surfeit of their ill-gotten gains, seem to have become complacent as to the new state of affairs in the U.S. patent space.

    While it remains easy to shut out inventors from all public touchpoints of testimony or respectability; that any jurist, even those merely partially competent, as it is with the CAFC, should finally examine the actual implications of USPTO ultra vires and un-Constitutional practices – certainly threatens to undermine the whole rubric of ‘protecting the public interest by going after patent trolls’ false-alarm nonsense, perpetrated by years of illicit influences provided by the IP pirate cabal.

    RUSH, boys and girls – rush now, to ‘save’ the abomination of the PTAB – rush to pretty up the abominable sh*t sandwich served up to the independent innovators of the United States and called lunch – before the whole notion becomes subject to higher level jurist review by SCOTUS in the pending ‘Oil States’ case.

    See the minions scurry about, in urgent, desperate, greedy measures, to protect the grotesque farce of a ‘banana republic’ style power grab that ravages the nation’s economic future – known as the America Invents Act.

    It IS on the Congressional Record, that the provisions of the AIA should live and die as one, with severability of provisions being thoroughly discussed and rejected – is it not?

    If the Supreme Court rules against the Constitutionality of the PTAB, then will the USPTO, the CAFC and SCOTUS, then apply said decision ultra vires, by continuing to respect the establishment of the rest of the supposedly-inseparable AIA?

    “Beans in their ears”, anyone? How about ‘See No Evil – Hear No Evil – Speak No Evil’? Or, how about the TRUTH for inventors and patent holders: subjected to a self-defeating version of “don’t ask – don’t tell”??…United Patents extortion shakedown stalking horse business model!

  8. Paul F. Morgan October 5, 2017 9:08 am

    The messiness of differing minority opinions on PTO Chevron deference [absent rulemaking on point] being obsessed about here is all completely irrelevant to the clear majority en banc opinion. As noted, this a welcome result for patent owners. It is now the Petitioner who bears the burden of proving that proposed amended claims are unpatentable over prior patents or publications. [The patent owner must continue to show for the proposed entry of new claims that they do not contain new matter and are not broadening.]
    But this decision will not have all that much actual impact, since only a very small percentage of patent owners even request claim substitutions in IPRs, ever, or not until way too late, and the “intervening rights” statutes still apply to all substantively amended claims.
    The real messyness will come with follow-on unanswered questions, such as: What validity respect or IPR estoppels, if any, should be accorded amended claims that were never ever actually examined if the petitioner does not oppose their entry? Can a petitioner that does opposed their entry cite new prior art against newly added claim elements in the same IPR? Who will apply prosecution history estoppel in an IPR if the petitioner does not?

  9. EG October 5, 2017 9:45 am

    The fractured en banc decision by the Federal Circuit glaring points out the IPR provisions of the AIA (Abominable Inane Act) were poorly thought out and even more poorly drafted by Congress. What IPRs provide is the worst of all worlds-a procedure that is quasi-adjudicatory of the validity of issued patents but not by an Article III tribunal as it should be, as well as quasi-examination in allowing amended (substitute) claims to be offered but not evaluated, as other commentators have correctly noted, by an examining group or procedure. Frankly, SCOTUS would do us all a big favor by tanking IPRs on constitutional grounds (as it should) in Oil States-IPRs are an abomination on so many levels.

  10. Paul F. Morgan October 5, 2017 3:07 pm

    I see from some comments that we have a new conspiracy theory afoot. That this Aqua Products decision was intended and timed to dampen [pun intended] or “take the wind out of the sails” of the pending Supreme Court attack on the constitutionality of IPRs in Oil States Energy Services, LLC v. Green’s Energy Group, LLC, including providing support for the responsive briefs due October 23 in that case.
    Claim amendment difficulty in IPRs is a valid public policy complaint, but it is a problem fixable by PTO rule changes and/or statutory interpretation [as here]. It is not one of the constitutional law issues being decided in Oil States. The attack on IPR claim amending difficulty was strongly pressed but not effective even in the recent Sup. Ct. Cuozzo case.]

  11. Night Writer October 5, 2017 3:08 pm

    @1 Bemused This all feels to me like an 11th hour attempt by the CAFC to save the PTAB from elimination by the Oil States case.

    I agree.

    I say burn down the CAFC. It is full of judges that have no science background, no patent law background, and promised to be anti-patent in return for their appointment. The goon squad.

  12. The Time Is Now To Act October 5, 2017 5:01 pm

    Paul- you use the phrase ‘conspiracy theory’; which I find overreaches given the industry comments herein.

    I agree with you that the issues in Aqua are not, per se, related to Oil States.

    Review how commentators here, however, seek to tie the two together. Start w Ms. Bailey’s comment relating the ‘fix in Aqua’ and whether Aqua reduces the ‘glaring’ issues in Oil States.

    Any practioner skilled in a trade, such as PTAB IPR specific attorneys, will seek to protect their income source. That much is human nature.

    I, too, would be we see the same Oil States in view of Aqua rhetoric in the coming briefs.

    After all, AIA was built on a series of Red Herring arguments.

    To expect more of the same is not ‘Conspiracy Theory’ but the same as expecting pattern behavior to repeat.

    After nearly a year, CAFC emerged from sequester to decide Aqua en banc due to pressure of Oil States and public outry; which good for all and convenient for respondent amici.

    That being said. anycollusion among the Congress, the infringer lobby and CAFC is clearly heresy and better reserved for a motion picture starring Tom Hanks.

  13. Paul F. Morgan October 5, 2017 10:08 pm

    The time delay in the issuance of this decision is not unusual for en banc decisions with conflicts among the judges – requiring reviews of respective drafts, and difficulties in reaching a majority consensus as indicated in this decision. But it is still a long way from now to the oral arguments, much less the final decision, in Oil States.

  14. Night Writer October 6, 2017 7:57 am

    Time >That being said. anycollusion among the Congress, the infringer lobby and CAFC is clearly heresy and better reserved for a motion picture starring Tom Hanks.
    Paul> a new conspiracy theory afoot

    This is bizarre comments that have nothing to do with reality. We know that Google spends lots of money to burn down the patent system and gives it to Congress and the White House. We know they use K Street. We know that Google at the very least helped select the judges for the CAFC.

    And, Paul’s nonsense is a joke. Everyone knows that courts act like this.

    Just bizarre that Paul and Time would say these things in the face of so much evidence.

  15. Anon October 6, 2017 10:07 am

    I expect cheerleading from Mr. Morgan.

    That being said, Night Writer, I do not see as much of an alignment on the merits of the core issues between The Time Is Now To Act and Mr. Morgan as you appear to see.

    The Time Is Now To Act’s comment of “heresy” [sic] may have been intended to be “hearsay” – and may have been an incomplete attempt at differentiating along that separate line of thought. If you read his post carefully, he appears to be taking a stand opposite of the resident IPR cheerleader, noting that people who pushed the AIA have no problem with conflating different topics in order to spin a particular narrative.

  16. The Time Is Now To Act October 6, 2017 4:54 pm

    Night and Anon- incomplete is fair and my apologies if not clear. To clarify:

    1) I am standing in complete opposition to the IPR cheerleader.

    2) In particular, I am illuminating attempts at conflating issues in Aqua with Oil States and shining a flashlight on conflating comments such Ms. Bailey’s. Such conflation can be expected in respondent amici.

    3) I meant ‘heresy’ but should have put in parentheses (tongue in cheek). I do, however, hold out for faith in the independent judiciary and lifetime appointment.

  17. Brian K Buchheit October 6, 2017 5:20 pm

    Question for the Forum,

    If a patent owner wanted to narrow claims of an issued patent that he/she owned (because of the changes in law, per 101 for example since issue), would that patent owner be allowed to have a friendly company/person file an IPR against that patent – amend the patent as desired, then have the friendly company not challenge the amendment in any way ?

    To elaborate, assume an overly broad patent is “discovered” that has questionable claims (and prosecution is closed), but has included in its specification a first known disclosure of a critical concept.

    Alternatively, what about a patent owner who loses in court on a patent (with prosecution closed), but which still pending appeal; that patent owner may want to amend the claims to receive a more narrow allowance, which would traditionally be impossible.)

    Does this open an IPR pass through for a patent owner desired amendment via the IPR process ? NOTE: in the case of a court loss, the petition could just mirror the federal decision in this hypothetical.

    If I’m not mistaken, the only recourse to STOP this type of behavior, would be the USPTO raising a sua sponte challenge – which the FED CIR specifically decided to avoid addressing, which would if nothing else be legally suspect.

    Thoughts ?

  18. Anon October 6, 2017 7:43 pm

    Brian,

    would that patent owner be allowed to have a friendly company/person file an IPR against that patent – amend the patent as desired, then have the friendly company not challenge the amendment in any way ?

    There is NO guarantee of any actual right to amend.

    ALL that the Congress provided was the right to ASK for an amendment.

    If I’m not mistaken, the only recourse to STOP this type of behavior, would be the USPTO raising a sua sponte challenge

    They have far more power than just that.

  19. Night Writer October 7, 2017 11:10 am

    @18: Anon

    I think we need to discuss how the motion to amend is evaluated. You don’t have an unfettered right to amend claims during prosecution either. You have to comply with 112, for example.

    So, the real issue is how are the motions evaluated. If fairly according to the statute, then you appear to have a right to amend.

  20. Anon October 7, 2017 1:32 pm

    I think we need to discuss how the motion to amend is evaluated.

    We could discuss that, sure.

    But that changes nothing about what was actually provided by Congress versus what a lot of people seem to think was provided.

    . If fairly according to the statute, then you appear to have a right to amend.

    Absolutely not. Here, you confuse the two vrey different and very separate things.

    Listen.

    Congress knows how to write for providing an affirmative right to amend.

    They simply did not do that.

    It really is that simple.

  21. Patent Investor October 7, 2017 5:15 pm

    What a red herring of a ruling! A wolf in sheep’s clothing if you will. Let us ignore the fact we are taking your right to your invention (which has not been ruled invalid by an Article 3 court) and allowing you to make some changes to it. This will trigger intervening rights and diminish the potential damages to your concurrent law suit. Let’s pay no attention to the fact that most patents take a while to get into the main stream of technology and a few more years to discover the infringer and their acts plus the amount of time since notification of potential infringement, filing a complaint, amending complaint several times, going through a Markman hearing, and possibly even picking a jury and having a trial. You just don’t need those damages, do you?? Here drink this and amend your claims and settle for whatever is left of the life of your amend claims. Willfulness? No sorry, that goes out the door too. Please, just take the pittance you are allowed and don’t presume to stand in the way of your corporate masters!

    On a totally different note, it seems to me that the convoluted, mish-mashed tangle of differing opinions could be brought up to SCOTUS as one more reason why the IPR process is inimically unfair. The appeal proceeding is just as likely to be a “which panel did I get” crap shoot as it is to be justice (yes, I used that word about the CAFC, please don’t take away my posting privileges Gene!!).

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