No Climate Deal in Copenhagen Good for Green Patent Rights

The Wall Street Journal is reporting good news for patent owners, in particular those holding patents on green technologies. President Obama, who is currently attending the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Shanghai, China, along with other world leaders announced that they no longer have ambitions of reaching a binding international agreement on climate change during the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, which begins December 7, 2009 and runs through December 18, 2009. This is extremely important for those who are interested in strong intellectual property protections, particular patent rights. It had been feared that in order to obtain an international agreement the Obama Administration would broker the patent rights held by US concerns and give them to third world and developing nations in exchange for them taking steps to curb carbon dioxide emissions. Thus, the news that there will not be a binding agreement as a result of the UN conference in Copenhagen can allow patent and intellectual property advocates breathe a sigh of relief, at least for now.

This announcement by world leaders that there will be no climate change agreement this year will undoubtedly be viewed as a significant blow by the many who believe such an agreement is necessary despite the fact that an ever increasing number of highly respected scientists question whether global warming is for real.  But just the other day, Dr. Arvid Pasto, the former Director of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) High Temperature Materials Laboratory (HTML), who has thirty-five years of national laboratory and industrial experience in conducting, managing and directing advanced materials research, posted Global-warming myth risks economic viability. In this article he explains that there have been numerous scientific studies over the last few years that cast doubt on the popular global warming idea. He writes:

We who do not accept the theory of man-made global warming are doing so because it has been shown to be a questionable idea.

Climatology is an inexact science: Witness the fact that weathermen cannot predict weather more than a few days in the future, much less over a decade or more.

With all of the scientific disagreement over whether man-made global warming is factual, it is much too early to propose attacking the carbon dioxide emission issue.

Having the United States sign the Copenhagen Treaty would necessitate the expenditure of immense amounts of our money, time and effort attacking a nonexistent problem.

Not only has the tide turned in the global warming “debate,” which is really hardly a debate because until recently anyone who didn’t believe the party line on global warming was vilified, ridiculed and marginalized because it did not fit into the world view of much of the liberals in academia and in certain international government circles around the world.  But with mounting scientific evidence showing an alternative truth the opinions of society at large has changed, and that has caused some changes in political positions as well, apparently.

On Friday, November 6, 2009, speaking to the Independent Inventors Conference at the United States Patent and Trademark Office via previously recorded video, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke announced that the Obama Administration pledges to continue to provide full support to all inventors and to continue to support the strongest intellectual property protections in the world.  In an article I wrote that day I asked whether this statement by Secretary Locke could be an indication that the Obama Administration will not weaken patent protections in the name of reaching an international agreement at the Copenhagen Conference? At the time I observed that the right things are being said, and pointed out that this may just be for real.  It would appear that it is for real and Secretary Locke was indeed signaling the inventor community that patent rights would remain strong and the Obama Administration would not do anything to allow the weakening of such rights.

It does seem that the Obama Administration has a strong commitment to innovation and the patent and inventor communities.  Since being sworn in Secretary Locke has said all the right things and shown a real understanding of the problems facing the US patent system and a commitment to make things better.  While I think his attempts to drive down pendency to 10 months are unrealistic, the fact that he is trying to reach such a goal shows he has his eye on the ball and understands the need for patents to be issued as quickly as reasonably possible.

David Kappos, the Director of the US Patent and Trademark Office, is also saying all the right things as well.  He is taking appropriate administrative actions.  His actions match his rhetoric, and his rhetoric demonstrates that he to understands that the Patent Office can and must play a role in revitalizing the economy.  At the Inventors Conference last week he said a number of things that make it clear that he is well aware of the fact that issued patents are necessary for independent inventors and small businesses to raise funds necessary to move forward, including moving forward to hire employees.

So while many will undoubtedly lament the fact that there will be no international agreement on climate change, this is exceptionally good news for those who support strong intellectual property rights, strong patent rights and want greater innovation through the providing of meaningful incentives to the private sector.

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  • [Avatar for The Zohan (messes again)]
    The Zohan (messes again)
    December 1, 2009 12:20 pm

    Scrappy,

    Brain of yours not so bad.
    Good English at least you can speak, yes?
    (The Zohan descends back to earth from higher plane of Yodda thinking)

    Yes there is a distinction between us and the frogs.
    But there is also a similarity.
    Both are true at the same time.

    (This is somting called quantum physics thinking which many a humanoid cannot grok.)

    If you look at how many people react to a crisis situation, they act like frogs (reptile), they act like sheep (limbic). These reaction paradigms are ones that served us well through earlier evolutionary times. They did not serve us well due to some grand scheme of an intelligent designer. They served us well due to random luck. (If one does not understand that, one does not understand the the theory of evolution.)

    Now our luck is running out. The very things that assured our survival (as a species) in the past can become our undoing in the future.

    Yes, pumping ever increasing amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere has propelled our species into the “industrial age” and has greatly improved the standard of living that many of us take too easily for granted. But we can’t keep pumping ever increasing amounts of CO2 to infinity and beyond. Even Woody the toy cowboy in the Toy Story movie gets that. In my movie, Don’t Mess with The Zohan (puh puh), the Palestinians and the Israelis get it that they can’t keep escalating the battle forever. Trees don’t grow to the sky. If they try, they topple over.

    See you in Dubai,
    Your alter ego friend, The Zohan

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    December 1, 2009 11:46 am

    Zohan, my brain is even worse than you think… wait for it… here it comes…

    I’ve never once thought of over-population as a problem.

    Gasp!!!!! Heresy!!!!!

    P.S. And we’re not all frogs – there is priceless worth in a human being (even one in a developing country), but that distinction has perhaps escaped you so far.

  • [Avatar for The Zohan (messes again)]
    The Zohan (messes again)
    December 1, 2009 11:19 am

    Scrappy my Cocco friend,

    The human brain is crudely divided into 3 sections: reptile, limbic and neo-cortical.

    It appears that “conservatives” have reptile dominated brains.
    On the other hand, “liberals” have limbic dominated brains.

    This is not to say that one is better than the other or that either is rational.
    The reptile fears captivity and loss of “freedoms” (by the unknown them who hates our freedoms).
    The limbic loves kumbaya social gatherings; believing everything will be solved if only “we” all get together and sing a song.

    Neither of these brain shells helps when it comes to solving long term problems like over-population, global warming (just wait till 2013, not), fossil fuel depletion and so forth. There is no magic bullet, no holy words to utter to one’s deity. We are all frogs in the same simmering cauldron. And jumping out is not an option (stop the world, I want to get off).

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    December 1, 2009 07:04 am

    They don’t want seaweed, or anything else (green patents) that would solve the problem. They want population control!! For THEIR kids’ benefit. Because they like the world as it is, because it’s perfect for them now and they want it preserved that way for their own – forget about the struggling villagers in Africa or China. It’s the ultimate “my race is more important than yours”-ism. And the ultimate play-on-fear.

    “Only 10% Will Survive Global Warming”

    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/only-10-will-survive-global-warming

    They don’t want a solution: they want the power and control that the unsolved (or better, the unsolvable) greenhouse gas “problem” brings. Of course, Cap ‘n Trade brings us no closer to a “solution” to the unsolvable “problem” while effecting powerful redistribution of resources to “cap” growth and quality of life in developing countries (“we polluted as a developing country, but we have a moral obligation not to let others, and we should make sure they have condoms too”), so it is the perfect ploy…. And in 30 years when global warming is completely non-existent, we can say Cap ‘n Trade worked. ROFL!!!

    P.S. Remember to drive your SUVs to get your swine flu shots, cappies! Fear the flu!!! Surprised the President hasn’t implemented martial law yet. The CDC promised us deadly H1N1 (<>) would infect half the population. Oh wait, they were right – it would have, except for all the cappies who did drive their SUVs (or their parents’ SUVs, or the SUVs their parents gave them for graduation) to get the shots, and effectively thwarted the epidemic. Good job, cappies!! No one will ever be able to prove otherwise!! Now you can go watch a movie. (/sarc)

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 24, 2009 05:42 pm

    P.S. Shalom, Zohan – enjoy the holiday. 🙂

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 24, 2009 04:45 pm

    You watch that cr*p? Blecch!!! No wonder you don’t write logically – you’re over-media-ed. (A little free advice – focus on the important things of life, not the mindless Hollywood drivel, because we all will become like what we seek after….)

  • [Avatar for the zohan]
    the zohan
    November 24, 2009 02:36 pm

    Yes, Happy Turkey Day to one and all.

    Scrappy,

    Speaking of know it all, you of course understand why the “Zohan” came into existence as the counterpart to “Scrappy”, no?

    It is all very obvious:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Don%27t_Mess_with_the_Zohan

    Shalom my alter-ego friend

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 24, 2009 12:53 pm

    No Zohan, but I think people 50 years from now will be a whole lot smarter and more capable (and less clueless when it comes to knowing what we don’t know) than us… just think what we do today with ease (in nanotechnology, with the Internet, etc.) that they labored or only dreamed of in 1960….

    Seaweed!

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article522203.ece

    And they will hopefully have better leaders too (Go Sarah!)

    Happy Thanksgiving all!

  • [Avatar for The Zohan (returns)]
    The Zohan (returns)
    November 24, 2009 11:56 am

    The Zohan say this:

    Good for you Scrappy bubbla that you able to turn on critical thinking parts of brain of yours when it come to the George baby Bush your people voted for to be in office.

    Bad for you that now you shut off critical thinking parts of brain when it come to pumping poisonous gasses as if it were harmless poo poo into atmosphere.

    What you think; that diz can go on forever? That CO2 parts per million (ppm) can just go up and up with no consequence forever?

    This is childish thinking Scrappy bubbla. This is sticking head in sand like ostrich or turkey bird. You and your people (I do mean you people) have no scientific model for predicting what will happen as more and more CO2, CH4 and other stuffs go more and more into atmospheric like it be cesspool. You and your people only complain that utter people’s models not perfect. Well vise guy and huchum, you Scrappy; now you show deh people your model. Aye? Show how you tink that atmosphere and world will go from pumping bad tings into air forever, from cutting down forests forever, from sticking to the BAU (bizness as the usual) forever.

    No?
    You have nothing?
    You have no science?
    You have just supreme confidence in your non-negotiable way of life?
    On Easter Island there wuz peoples like you. Now they no more there.

    Have chag samai ach, Scruppy bubblah
    (Happy Thanksgiving)
    ((For you of course, not for your turkey bird, ehh?))

    We must talk zis about some more. 😉

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 24, 2009 08:00 am

    “Because your people have no science behind their hysterics, they repeatedly rely on raw hysteria, appeal to fear, conspiracy theories and ad hominem attacks.”

    omgosh, Zohan, project much?

    [Scare ON]
    Oooh, better buy beach front property in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula if we don’t pass Cap ‘n Trade fast!!! Oooooh, and you’ll die there if we don’t pass health care reform!!!! No time to read the bill – this is an(other) emergency – Wall Street is restless!!!!!
    [Scare OFF]

    P.S. I have been one of the Bush Administration’s biggest critics as everyone here likely knows…. I believe he will go down in history (at least temporarily) as the worst President ever, and not just because of what he did for oil. A Carter needs a Nixon to get elected, and an Obama needs a Bush – bad presidencies are almost always double-barrel (that’s how a democracy works).

  • [Avatar for The Zohan (returns)]
    The Zohan (returns)
    November 23, 2009 01:28 am

    sruppy puppy,

    Because your people have no science behind their hysterics, they repeatedly rely on raw hysteria, appeal to fear, conspiracy theories and ad hominem attacks.

    Where were your ‘cover up’ critics when the former (faith based) administration in Wash DC was censoring scientists? Back then you were all conveniently silent as mother church took over the science lab. But today you stand in the shoes of Galileo? Holy hypocrisy!

    Anyway, the climate realists are not hiding their heads in the sand. They’re willing to take you critics on head first in terms of intellectual debate as opposed to hysterical breast pounding:
    http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/21/hacked-emails-ncar-kevin-trenberth/

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 22, 2009 05:01 pm

    Wow, Ed Morrissey over at HotAir hits the nail squarely on the head. It’s all about religion.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/22/wapo-reports-on-hadley-e-mails-global-warming-controversy/

    “As I wrote when the scandal first arose, the anthropogenic global warming advocates have not been practicing science, if these e-mails prove genuine. Scientists welcome debate and analysis of data to test hypotheses and theories. When people start attempting to silence dissent, they cease being scientists and start being high priests of a faith-based system. This smacks more of Galileo’s treatment than Galileo’s work. E pur si muove?”

  • [Avatar for The Zohan (returns)]
    The Zohan (returns)
    November 21, 2009 03:49 pm

    Scrappy my chaver,

    You obviously didn’t see my movie.
    The Zohan does not need SUVs.
    The Zohan can swim faster than a speeding jet ski,
    can jump over tall mosques with a single bound
    and can stow away inside any airplane to get to destination.

    Except for the fizzy bubbly which I am addicted to, my carbon footprint is very low.

    As always,
    The Zohan

    p.s. When I am swimming in Red Sea, the seaweed get caught in my teeth and I no like it.

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 21, 2009 03:06 pm

    Zohan, you didn’t answer the SUV question.

    In case it wasn’t 100% obvious to you (I’m guessing you’re not just playing dumb) I meant macroscopic, multicellular, benthic marine algae (i.e., seaweed) which can also be used for food and medicine, btw. It stays on the surface and does not cause algae blooms. (P.S. In your red herring algae bloom scenario, how would you use a trawler to harvest phytoplankton anyway? By making macroscopic nanonets? Lol.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaweed

  • [Avatar for The Zohan (returns)]
    The Zohan (returns)
    November 21, 2009 12:06 pm

    Scrappy bubbleh,

    The Zohan understand about good thing.

    The Zohan understand about too much of a good thing.

    Take your small knowing about the algae thing.
    Yes algae can be used to combine sunlight with CO2 + H2O to make your O2 and some CHO on the side.

    But too much algae makes diz thing called algae bloom which kills all life in the ocean area where it happen.

    Also, yes, the CO2 is a natural ting. But too much CO2 makes kaput for us hummus beings because it is poison to our bodies and we excrete it as a waste product. In other words, for us hummus beings, de CO2 is cacca poo poo that we dump into the atmosphere.

    –shalom und brachah
    your fellow hummus being,
    The Zohan

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 20, 2009 06:13 pm

    Wow, zohan, I had no idea that San Marino produced so much CO2….

    I’m all for polluting less and driving energy efficient cars (I’ve never owned an engine bigger than 2.2 L; how many SUVs have you owned?) My problem is with the Cap ‘n Trade bill that is designed with the sole purpose of keeping Wall Street relevant (vis-a-vis the “trade” in Cap ‘n Trade) by taking money from everyone else and feeding it to the government in the post-dollar economy.

    It is the same old thing we have seen since Bush: the government and large corporations operating in cahoots to suck the wealth out of the country and redistribute it entirely to itself. (If you haven’t noticed, it is a “trickle up” economy, with large corporations reaping windfalls from manufactured scares or planned economic crises and the government subsequently reaping the “protection money” from the large corporations and the manufactured scares, all so that the large corporations and the government itself can continue thriving in the manner to which they have become accustomed.)

    It is a government for itself, as the last 4 years of PTO operation (under Jon Dudas) should clearly show even someone who has a smirking chimp mouth – no offense to chimps, 🙂 ….

    So here’s my idea: there is nothing bad about CO2 in and of itself – it is in fact necessary for all life on earth. Therefore, what about using the natural O2-CO2 cycles to our advantage? We plant huge algae farms off the coast of Florida. The algae produces O2 and absorbs the CO2. We use trawler technology to continually harvest the algae, and barges to bring it inland e.g. to the low lying areas (heck we could even elevate the levies around New Orleans). The dried algae becomes a permanent sink for CO2 (i.e it is trapped in the form of HC).

    The mass (HC) of every single plant/tree is just representative of absorbed CO2: CO2+H2O >> O2 and HC.

    I mean if Bill Gates can patent Gulf Coast Hurricane protection (the PTO would never allow a non-viable patent, right?), then this should be viable too.

    If we can’t have olive green, then let’s at least pursue the conventional green technology. Green is good. Cap ‘n Trade (more Welfare for Wall Street) is bad.

  • [Avatar for the zohan]
    the zohan
    November 20, 2009 03:22 pm

    scrappy bubbala,

    Yes those evil enviro-freaks are hiding all the ups and downs as can be seen in this enviro-propaganda web site:
    http://www.tamug.edu/labb/global_warming_info.htm

    If only they used the Inhofe Decline-forcing Data Rescrambilng algorithm, they would see clear as the everlasting carbon exhaust valves between their eyes (aka the nose) that the new Ice Age is here for sure and that there will be no sweats from here and for hundreds of years into the future about this so-called “Global Warming”. The only thing we have to worry about now is how many trillions of more dollars we can print into existence out of thin air so as to keep our non-negotiable way of life going.

    /sarcasm (in case you didn’t realize this was all said with fizzy bubbly soda foaming from the Zohan’s smirking chimp mouth) |<:-)8o...

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 20, 2009 09:48 am

    http://www.investigatemagazine.com/australia/latestissue.pdf

    “[The head of UEA’s Climate Research Unit, Dr. Phil] Jones told TGIF he had no idea what me meant by using the words ‘hide the decline’. ‘That was an email from ten years ago. Can you remember the exact context of what you wrote ten years ago?'”

    Lol.

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 20, 2009 09:19 am

    Step back, the hits just keep on coming! (I know, I know, for believers, it’s exactly like arguing religion….)

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked#63657

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    November 18, 2009 08:04 pm

    No scrappy,

    It’s not the 1970’s all over again. (Wish it were.) This time it’s different. This time it’s global as opposed to being OEDC-centric. But all that is a topic for a different web site than this IP website. I suggest you try TheOilDrum.com if you want to get up to speed on why this is not your father’s 1970’s. (Alas, Jimmy Carter, he was right all along and yet they laughed at him.)

  • [Avatar for scrappy]
    scrappy
    November 18, 2009 01:50 pm

    This is rich (deja vu, it’s the 70s all over again):

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091118/ap_on_sc/climate_population_growth

    Olive green appliances, here we come! Brrr….

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    November 18, 2009 01:42 pm

    JV-

    The US will become a leader even without force and even without destroying our economy, provided of course the anti-patent crowd doesn’t win and patent rights remain strong. Cleaner, greener technologies can and frequently do result in cheaper solutions. No force is needed when money can be saved, which is where green inventors should focus. Don’t focus on the altruistic, focus on the capitalistic.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Just visiting]
    Just visiting
    November 18, 2009 10:32 am

    “Why would we unilaterally do something that destroys our economy when others won’t and the science is being called into question?”

    You answered your own question in you very next statement.

    “Third, cleaner and green technologies are the way to go. Polluting less only makes sense. Sustainability through innovation is the future.”
    The United States will NOT become a leader in cleaner, greener technologies unless we are forced to. It is always easier to take the cheaper way out — in this instance, the cheaper way out is the use of polluting technologies.

    There is a patent analogy here I’ve used against the anti-patent crowd. Patents are a roadblock. However, as a roadblock, they force competitors to not take the easy road (i.e., the patented technology) and take the long way around. However, in doing so, they stumble across an entirely better way of doing things. However, this better way of doings things would not have been found if everybody could have taken the easy road. By enacting strict restrictions, e.g., on emissions, we have put up the roadblock that now forces companies to take the long way around. Will it be more expensive in the short term — yes, but then again, almost every investment, in the beginning, has higher costs than returns.

    Almost everybody will take the easy road when forced to. Sure, some companies may try to cut pollution for PR purposes or as an attempt to stave off harsher regulations, but in a business environment where pollution control is not an issue, most companies will pollute to their heart’s content, because that is good corporate governance — i.e., maximize shareholder’s wealth.

    If Europe tightens their belt, pollution-wise, and the US doesn’t, who do you think will have the greatest incentive to produce “clean and green” technology?

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    November 17, 2009 08:16 pm

    Step-

    First, he needs an easier name for us EEs to spell, or at least a name that spell check recognizes.

    Second, didn’t see him tidY. I am in SF for patent bar review, but isn’t that the point? Why would we unilaterally do something that destroys our economy when others won’t and the science is being called into question?

    Third, cleaner and green technologies are the way to go. Polluting less only makes sense. Sustainability through innovation is the future, so let’s not give away the farm and keep ip rights strong.

    I don’t know what “the truth” is, but know we need to seek answers and I have been disappointed for a long time that politics gets in the way of science on both sides of the aisle.

    Cheers!

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    November 17, 2009 07:12 pm

    Gene,

    I understand and empathize with where you’re coming from. I’m not the blind-faith cult believer in AGW that you may believe I am. I am aware of many of controversies that go back and forth (e.g. global dimming, solar activity cycles, etc.) between the two camps. Obviously, if lightening strikes and sets fire to a large dried out forest, we are not going to count that as Anthropogenic Global Warming and there is little that we can do in a practical sense to stop that kind of CO2 emission or volcanic emissions and so forth. But we do have some say over the amount of GHG’s emitted from human controlled activities. And it is a really childish answer to whine like Sen Inhofe did this morning on the Senate floor that gee whiz the Chinese are going to keep doing it so we should too. (BTW, even he spells it as “Inhofe”. See http://inhofe.senate.gov/public/ ).

    Peace. 😉

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    November 17, 2009 04:05 pm

    Step back-

    I am not going to repeat what I already said above. Obviously you read what I posted because you mention James Inhoffe, but you conveniently didn’t read the citations to the many scientists that I provided. So why don’t you read what I posted and take a look at the links. If you do you will see the scientists who believe man-made global warming is not what is going on. Many are decorated scientists and they are from all around the world.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    November 17, 2009 04:02 pm

    Frank-

    Thanks for the concern regarding my credibility, but I think I an look out for myself.

    I don’t know that scientists vilify others, but the elite within academia certainly do. As it turns out Universities in the US are not very enlightened at all and those who have opinions that are not liberal are vilified repeatedly. So those who push global warming at liberal institutions definitely have a world view that global warming fits, whether it is scientifically true or not.

    I have no problem whatsoever with scientific debate based on facts. There are all kinds of facts out there that support both sides. I just don’t think we are asking the right questions. For example, in all of the debate I have not heard much discussion regarding trying to figure out why temperatures have moderated for the last 10,000 years, which seems to be the longest and only stretch of moderation. Looking at temperature charts over time show that over the majority of time we have been passing through a temperature range onto the next temperature range, with the notable exception of the last 10,000 years.

    You can believe that this is about my own political personal opinion. Everyone is free to be wrong, including you with respect to putting words in my mouth. Clearly my view is that a cleaner environment is better, polluting less is preferable and clean technologies are to be supported. What I don’t appreciate is the use of select facts that support a world view that wants to punish development, punish property rights and end patent rights. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not there are many liberals in academia who are NOT scientists who vilify those with alternative views. There are also many in international political circles that have an agenda that fits perfectly with man-made global warming. Who cares if that is fact, it works with what they want to accomplish. That is reality whether you want to accept it or not.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Frank Busse]
    Frank Busse
    November 17, 2009 03:32 am

    Gene:

    You and I – and for sure some more of the global crowd appreciating your comments – do not pretend to be anything like climate experts. Ours is another profession. But we have our science degrees and we are used to approach problems “the scientific way”: Looking for facts, deducing rules, models and theories, predicting the future based on the same and deciding based on the outcome. We are well aware of the many failures that may occur with this procedure: Overlooking facts, over-interpreting statistics, over-emphasizing theories et.al. And we know about our restrictions, in particular our tendency to constantly overlook, over-interpret and over-emphasize due to what we previously believed to be right or wrong.

    On the other hand, ours is not the way neither the majority, nor politicians – may be apart from the current German Chancellor Mrs. Merkel, degreed in physics – do commonly look upon the world around: The mere concept of clearly distinguishing facts from theories as well as always questioning everything including yourself is difficult a task (not only) for non-scientists. – Why do I cite theses platitudes, mostly sure not under discussion in our lot?

    (1) I kindly ask you to differentiate between the types of discussion held with scientists and those held with non-scientists as polititians and most of even specialized journalists: In no scientific discussion I’ve heard talking about “100 % security”, but at the utmost about “high probabilities”. In no scientific discussion I’ve had the impression that those putting into question a theory were “vilified, ridiculed and marginalized because it did not fit into the world view”. – Identifying somebody as having a “world view” itself is commonly accepted to be a counter-concept to being a “scientist” in the respective area.

    From a scientific view, there is abolutely no need to discuss if there were a consensus on human made climate change – it obviously is not. But by far the overwhelming majority of scientists in fact do support this theory (where “supporting” means nothing more than “accepting a high probability”). – “Why would we give any consideration to their views as this point?” – Well, simply because as scientists by concept we accept that our own view is questionable.

    (2) For the sake of your credibility in (scientific) discussions in our profession, I urge you to triple-check if your vigorous (and basically “unscientific”) attack on what you simplify to be “the global warming and climate activists” and “the liberals in academia and in certain international government circles” isn’t based on searching arguments for your previous personal political opinion of what would be the best for our world.

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    November 16, 2009 09:33 pm

    “Given that the cooling cycle has started it seems time is not of the essence to address a global warming crisis.”

    Other than Senator James Inhofe and science fiction writer Michael Crichton (sp?) who are the scientists you rely on for this conclusion that the cooling cycle has for sure (100%) started? What if it hasn’t? What if accumulation of GHG’s in the atmosphere continues unabated? I understand you are willing to bet your life on it. I’m not happy however that you are willing to bet my children’s lives and well being on it. The free for all market system has not worked; not in financial hedge hog circles and not in pollution and population control circles. It’s just an uncontrolled Petri dish experiment run amok on a global scale.

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    Gene Quinn
    November 16, 2009 07:28 pm

    Step back-

    Well, Boxer and her liberal allies are certainly not progressives, although they seem to have effectively co-opted that term to mean their brand of liberal politics as compared with the progressive Republicans at the beginning of the 20th century.

    In terms of 100% certainty, perhaps you are right, but the fact remains that the earth has never continually risen in temperature, having reached certain heights repeatedly only to retreat. All of the horribles predicted have not come to pass, so I think that given the state of science and the political and economic realities of the day it is an abuse of power to continue on an agenda that would devastate the economy and wreak havoc on all of us in economic terms. All for what? We can pursue an appropriate environmental agenda without destroying the economy. Given that the cooling cycle has started it seems time is not of the essence to address a global warming crisis.

    We need to encourage technologies not institute unrealistic goals that cannot be met unless our economy is shut down. We all know the developing world will not do anything, so unilaterally destroying our economy seems silly to me. We need to give incentive to green technologies, not take them away and hand them over to polluters without payment. We also need to have leaders that can take on the oil companies and really institute policies that make sense, rather than policies that keep oil companies rich and mass transit and light rail from reaching full potential. The fact that CA does not have light rail demonstrates the problem. There is no political will to do the right thing. I think we as individuals should not suffer for lack of political will on the part of Liberals… I mean “progressives.”

    -Gene

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    step back
    November 16, 2009 07:05 pm

    “unless we are 100% sure we ought not to dismantle the economy in the process”

    Gene,

    Being a scientist means NEVER saying you are 100% sure.

    (I think that quote comes from Ryan O’Neil’s movie, Love Story –same guy BTW who was 100% sure he wasn’t hitting on his own daughter.)

    No true scientist says she or he is “100%” sure. Science is about presenting falsifiable hypotheses and testing them repeatedly and throwing them away when a single experiment (i.e. Michelson & Morley) shows the hypothesis falsified.

    What CA Senator Boxer (you go girl) and other “progressive” congress critters are doing is saying that AGW is too serious of a clear and present danger to worry about Mr. Economy. What good is an extra dollar going to do you when you’re dead and rotting because you didn’t believe in that which you called a hoax? There are plenty of examples in history when people laughed something off and they turned out to be dead wrong. Example: “Those stoopid climate-o-logists saying a Category 5 Hurricane Katrina is coming my way and I better run? Ha ha. I ain’t falling for that. Bring it on.”

    All this said in good cheer and respectful dialogue. 🙂

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    November 16, 2009 06:02 pm

    Step back-

    Yes, the US patent system definitely needs to continue to encourage inventors.

    I don’t have any a dog in the fight with respect to global warming other than to notice that the global warming folks ignore and vilify everything that contradicts their theory. There is mounting evidence that questions global warming, but they act like there is no evidence to the contrary and anyone who disagrees is a quack. I say let the debate ensue and let science and facts decide, not a political philosophy, particularly when the political philosophy seems to urge the demolition of the economy as we know it. If that needs to happen then fine, but lets get all the evidence on the table. I think it is particularly telling that the rhetoric has shifted from “global warming” to “climate change” as if they know but won’t yet admit the globe is not warming presently.

    I don’t claim to be right about this, but unless we are 100% sure we ought not to dismantle the economy in the process. Seems to me like both sides have good arguments and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It seems clear that greenhouse gases contribute (including those naturally occurring through volcanic activity and those caused by man) and that other factors like solar activity also contribute and are in fact necessary to create predictions of the past the work out right. We ought to be trying to figure out the whole picture, clean the environment, do less damage as we go through our lives and strive for technology solutions. I just don’t think science progresses when new realities are ignored and not taken into consideration.

    Cheers back at you!

    -Gene

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    New Hire
    November 16, 2009 06:01 pm

    “First, perhaps you have heard of an organization called NASA. Have you? They indicate here that the earth seems to have entered into a cooling cycle:”

    Gene, I usually enjoy and respect your writings, but this is stunningly dishonest. From your link:

    “Summary: The Southern Oscillation and increasing GHGs continue to be, respectively, the dominant factors affecting interannual and decadal temperature change. Solar irradiance has a non-negligible effect on global temperature [see, e.g., ref. 7, which empirically estimates a somewhat larger solar cycle effect than that estimated by others who have teased a solar effect out of data with different methods]. Given our expectation of the next El Niño beginning in 2009 or 2010, it still seems likely that a new global temperature record will be set within the next 1-2 years, despite the moderate negative effect of the reduced solar irradiance.”

    Yes, there are short-term cyclical factor like el Nino/la Nina that, to some extent, are offsetting the overall warming trend, but nothing in your link remotely disputes the consensus* view of the effect of greenhouse gas emissions on global temperature. Nothing in that article suggests that the warming trend (see Fig. 1 of your link) has been due to natural causes. Your reading of the article is clearly inaccurate. Please, Gene, stick with your excellent analysis of legal matters instead of this nonsense.

    *i.e., the view shared by NASA, the National Academies, the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Chemical Society, the American Physical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and other dubious “liberal academic” crackpots.

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    Gene Quinn
    November 16, 2009 05:13 pm

    Scrappy-

    Exactly right! I am not coming down hard on environmentalists. I am an environmentalist myself, and I don’t think one has to blindly believe in global warming to be an environmentalist. A cleaner environment makes perfect sense. I am so over the political correctness though. Stopping research and debate on what is really happening is no different than those who vilified Galileo and many other scientists. Whatever the truth is we need to know, ALL facts need to be considered and I think we should at least not kill the economy in the name of a hypothesis when that hypothesis is based on predictive models that cannot predict accurately.

    Let me make this as simple as I can for those who want to put words in my mouth…

    Pollute yes = GOOD
    Cleaning up the environment and recycling = GOOD
    Clean green technology = GOOD
    Ignoring facts that do not support global warming = STUPID

    -Gene

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    step back
    November 16, 2009 05:10 pm

    Gene,

    I pray and hope that you are right and I am wrong.

    I honestly wish for AGW (or ha ha “Climate Change” ha ha) to be a hoax.
    But my wishing upon a star doesn’t make it so.

    As I said, each of us has barely enough knowledge on this subject area so as to be dangerous. I have not made it my life’s work to gather up to site links to all the data that debunks the GW-denialist positions. I do, BTW, pay attention to the anti-GW talking points and give them due respect. But they never rise to the caliber of a realclimate.com discussion. It’s always ad hominem attacks and misleading science facts without taking into account the bigger picture. No one is saying that the Earth will not “eventually” return to a next Ice Age. No one is saying that the Sun will not “eventually” run out of fuel and turn into a red dwarf. I think the concern is about the next 100 years rather than the next 600,000 years. First humanity has to make it through part 1 before we start discussing part 2 and how to deal with it.

    Despite all these differences of opinion on the wedge issue of AGW, I think we can nonetheless agree on a common conclusion that the US patent system should be kept strong so that it can encourage inventors in the energy business to come up with better, more efficient and less polluting alternatives if such are possible.

    Cheers. 🙂

    BTW, have you seen the new doomsday movie, 2012? I was ROFLOL when they (the movie writers) put forth that bit about “mutating” neutrinos.

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    November 16, 2009 05:04 pm

    Just visiting-

    I am happy to post links, which I have done in the article that I linked to above, but if you would rather not go there for the information I am happy to provide it here.

    First, perhaps you have heard of an organization called NASA. Have you? They indicate here that the earth seems to have entered into a cooling cycle:

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/

    Again, from NASA, this explains that volcanic eruptions and solar output of the sun in combination accurately model temperatures. Of course, if the sun has anything to do with it that is conveniently not considered by the global warming advocates because that has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels. Likewise, volcanic activity has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels. See:

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Paleoclimatology_Understanding/

    Scientists from around the world explain that evidence does not support the computer models and climate science is only an emerging field. See:

    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=3711460e-bd5a-475d-a6be-4db87559d605

    Decorated French scientist and former global warming supporter becomes a skeptic based on new evidence. Vanishing ice cap of Mount Kilimanjaro was observed and the rush to judgment was that it was because of greenhouse gases and rising temperatures, but as it turns out tectonic shifts explain what otherwise seemed hard evidence of global warming. See:

    http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=264835

    Russian scientists believe we have more to fear from global cooling and an ice age than we do from global warming. See:

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060825/53143686.html

    Here is more from NASA showing ice core data. You can see the graphic and change the timeline by zooming in and out. If you zoom all the way out you can see that there have been many changes in temperature over the last 400,000 years. See:

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Paleoclimatology_IceCores/

    Read this by Christopher Monckton, a global warming expert who was apparently barred from testifying by Democrats in Congress.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1533290/Climate-chaos-Dont-believe-it.html

    Here is a compilation prepared by Senator Inhoffe:

    http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers/6345050%20Hot%20&%20Cold%20Media.pdf

    I can go on and on, but the truth remains. Global warming activists have vilified anyone who questions their view of the world. The truth is also that their models do not predict the past, so no rational person should expect they will predict the future. Also, despite threats and vilification an increasing number of scientists are questioning global warming.

    As far as oil in the seas, you of course know that more oil seeps into the oceans than is spilled into the oceans, correct?

    In am not waiting for scientific consensus, but I don’t appreciate being told by those with a liberal agenda there is one when there most certainly is not.

    Please read what I write before you comment. Saying I am coming down “hard on environmentalists” is false and you either know it or should know it. I don’t like anyone standing in the way of science, and global warming advocates do just that. A clean environment if laudable and I support that, and the green revolution has great potential to clean up the environment and for the US economy. I have said all these things over and over again. That doesn’t change the fact that global warming political correctness has stopped scientific research into what is really happening.

    One final thought. If global warming is real why haven’t all the list of horribles predicted over the years come to pass? There is a serious flaw with the hypothesis because its predictions simply do not come to pass, and now the globe is cooling. In REAL scientific circles that means that the model is wrong and more research is needed.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Adam]
    Adam
    November 16, 2009 04:11 pm

    “fierisq did a nice job posting links in support of his arguments. Why don’t you do the same?”

    Just visiting, didn’t you see the link in the article? An op-ed from a retired ceramics researcher clearly refutes the thousands of scientists that know something about the environment, because they’re all part of a liberal conspiracy.

    For those not convinced, there are some fairly well-sourced articles on Wikipedia about the subject:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_consensus
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy

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    scrappy
    November 16, 2009 03:59 pm

    Is Gene coming down hard on environmentalists? (“The way to pursue a better, cleaner and sustainable environment is through technology advances, not through junk science that kills economies as a result of political correctness.”) That sounds right to me…

    I thought he was coming down hard on junk science, but hey, I’m still waiting for that “ice age” the scientific community promised us in the 1970s. (Or that population bomb that same “scientific community” told us was about to explode in the 70s if we white westerners didn’t defuse it in Asia and Africa.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

    Brrr…. anyway, as Rahm would say, never let a crisis go to waste. 😉

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    Just visiting
    November 16, 2009 03:07 pm

    “You can believe what you want, but everyone who is honest knows that there is absolutely NO scientific consensus behind the notion of global warming.”

    Gene, Gene, Gene, Gene, Gene.

    There is “NO scientific consensus” about the origins of this planet, whether the Big Bang actually occurred, about the age of this planet (20K?, 4.5B? or somewhere in between?), whether humans and apes once had a common ancestor, the existence of dinosaurs, even whether or not the earth is flat.

    Waiting for “scientific consensus” is a big red herring because we all know that there never will be a scientific consensus on most issues — particularly ones that whose short-term effects are difficult to discern and ones that have the potential to be very expensive to address.

    “Global warming is a crock, pure and simple. There are all kinds of facts that support it, but there are an equal number of facts that suggest it is not correct”
    fierisq did a nice job posting links in support of his arguments. Why don’t you do the same?

    “unless and until you can explain the rise and fall of temperatures when there was no burning of fossil fuels then you have absolutely no credibility in the REAL scientific community”
    Dude … that is easy. Partial explanations include volcanic eruptions (which throw massive amounts of particulate matter in the air) as well as massive forest fires. I’m sure the climate experts have better explanations than a novice could throw out in 15 seconds of thinking.

    I’m not clear why you are coming down so hard on environmentalists. The “green” revolution has the potential to be a boon for the US economy and by extension, patent attorneys. A clean environment is something few people are against. Being against environmentalists just because they originated in the left is a poor reason.

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    November 16, 2009 02:40 pm

    Scrappy-

    Yes, indeed they do call it “climate change.” I predicted the shift years ago when it became apparent that none of their predictions were correct and the list of horribles they talked about never came to fruition. The globe is not warming any more, so they had to change the rhetoric to continue to control minds. It is heartening to see that the public at large seems no longer fooled.

    -Gene

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    Gene Quinn
    November 16, 2009 02:39 pm

    Step back-

    I cannot believe that any rational person would be of the belief that polluting less is a bad thing. Clearly, polluting less is a good thing and we should do whatever we can to preserve natural resources, conserve and not mine resources to the point where there are no resources left. None of that, however, means one must believe in global warming. Global warming is a crock, pure and simple. There are all kinds of facts that support it, but there are an equal number of facts that suggest it is not correct. I would say that there are more facts that suggest it is wrong, but that is a question of individual persuasiveness I suppose. What is clear, however, is that there is no such thing as a theory on global warming, and global warming is certainly not a law. At best it is a hypothesis that has a lot of facts against it. In science you simply cannot ignore facts and truth, and for global warming to be correct that is what has to be done. I am not saying that man is not contributing, but to ignore historical evidence of temperature changes, volcanic activity and to blame man when man was not to blame for any of the previous warming cycles is really quite stupid. The global warming debate has an agenda and they will use whatever they can to forward that agenda even if the historical facts and science do not support them. It is disgusting to me that they wrap themselves with science to support themselves, all the while ignoring bad facts.

    The scientific community needs to be able to openly engage in research and pursue truth, and not be vilified by those with an agenda. The liberals and liberal academia have corrupted the science and destroyed those who dared to question the dogma regarding global warming.

    One can be an environmentalist without believing in global warming or the Tooth Fairy. The way to pursue a better, cleaner and sustainable environment is through technology advances, not through junk science that kills economies as a result of political correctness.

    Your mileage may, however, vary.

    -Gene

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    Gene Quinn
    November 16, 2009 02:29 pm

    Fierisq-

    You can believe what you want, but everyone who is honest knows that there is absolutely NO scientific consensus behind the notion of global warming. You and others who used to be “global warming” advocates have changed the rhetoric to “climate change” because the globe is no longer warming and is in fact cooling. You say that the ris in CO2 is due to burning fossil fuels, but there is no scientific proof to demonstrate that. I am sure you and others will dispute that, but unless and until you can explain the rise and fall of temperatures when there was no burning of fossil fuels then you have absolutely no credibility in the REAL scientific community.

    The reality is that climate models cannot even predict the past. A scientific approach requires that any theory be able to predict, and the theories put forth by global warming and climate activists cannot predict the past or the present, so there is no reason to believe they will predict the future. If they did predict the future the globe would not be experiencing the cooling trend clearly evidenced by fact and reality over the last several years.

    Like you I also “urge legislators and readers to look beyond the cherry-picked reports and numbers that are cited by” those who advocate the faulty science of global warming. I also urge everyone to do do their own investigation. You can start by looking at the historic temperatures dating back 400,000 years, as evidenced by the ice core data, which is undisputed. See this discussed at:

    https://ipwatchdog.com/2009/06/25/liberal-think-tank-says-patents-are-destroying-the-planet/id=3667/

    Only for the last 10,000 years has the temperature of the earth remained relatively constant, and even during the last 10,000 temperatures have been higher than they are today. As anyone reading the temperature data over the last 400,000 years can see the earth is far more likely to suffer from an ice age than it is to suffer from unchecked temperature rises. In fact, there appears to be a maximum that over time repeatedly gets touched only to be followed by decreases in temperature and an ice age. Given that this cycle repeats continually it does not take a scientist to realize that the earth’s temperature is hardly constant and great fluctuations have occurred throughout history and at times when there were no humans and there was no burning of fossil fuels.

    The studies and research conducted by scientists who look for truth demonstrates that warming cycles have more to do with increased volcanic activity. This has repeated throughout history and we have been in a very active time for volcanic activity.

    The real tragedy is that global warming or climate change fits within a particular world view of the liberals who continue to promote it despite facts to the contrary and despite the inherent inconsistencies of the theory. This world view has corrupted science in the name of political correctness, and instead of doing real research and airing the issues those who realize global warming does not fit with the facts have been vilified. This has caused science to come to a halt, which is hardly a good thing. It is ironic that those who vilified President Bush for not supporting stem cell research are also those who vilify scientists for pursuing a truth and researching in areas that do not fit with their world view. The hypocrisy is amazing.

    -Gene

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    fierisq
    November 16, 2009 02:08 pm

    The “science” behind those who deny climate change is the same as the “science” that was behind the tobacco industry’s attempts to show that smoking had no negative effects on human health. Tobacco companies paid scientists and consultants to argue that there was no sound scientific evidence that secondhand smoke was dangerous even though they knew of the negative health effects. Fossil fuel industries are using the same uncertainty tactic to challenge the science of global warning as the tobacco industries used to confuse the cancer/smoking link debate.

    There is absolutely a scientific consensus that climate change is occurring http://bit.ly/cdzos. No one in the climate science community is debating whether changes in CO2 alter the greenhouse effect, or if ocean levels have risen the last 100 years, or if the warming trend is outside the range of natural variability. GISS, NOAA, NAS, SOCC, RS, AGU, AIP, NCAR, AMS, CMOS are all respected institutions specializing in climate, atmospheric, oceanic and earth sciences and have published the same conclusions. 1) our climate is warming 2) the major cause of this warming is the rising levels of CO2 3) the rise in CO2 is due to the burning of fossil fuels 4) if CO2 continues to rise, so will the warming and 5) the climate changes projected will endanger the environmental and threaten human life.

    Climate skeptics may argue that certain pockets of the country have experienced some colder winters here and there, but a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon. Cherry-picking a micro-trend within a bigger trend is a particularly suspect technique. A single year of cold or warm weather in one region of the globe is not an indication of a trend in the global climate, which refers to a long-term average over the entire planet. Measurements show that over the last century the Earth’s climate has warmed overall, in all seasons, and in most regions.

    I take offense when people intentionally misinform others and attempt to discredit the very well established and agreed upon effects of human activity on global climate. I find it hard to believe that thousands of scientists from across the globe who have contributed studies and findings to the IPCC based on the most up to date scientific, technical and socio-economic information would be mistaken. I also find it hard to believe that:

    18 leading US scientific organizations: http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2009/media/1021climate_letter.pdf

    84% of scientists surveyed: http://people-press.org/report/528/

    13 government agencies: http://globalchange.gov

    11 national scientific academies: http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

    Margaret Thatcher: http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=107346

    …are all being duped by “politicians” into believing that climate change is a problem.

    I urge legislators and readers to look beyond the cherry-picked reports and numbers that are cited by skeptics to support a desired point. The truth is, the most respected scientific bodies have stated unequivocally that global warming is occurring, and that people are causing it by burning fossil fuels and cutting down our forests.

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    November 16, 2009 12:37 pm

    Gene,

    Global Warming (AGW) is exactly one of the reasons why I shy away from operating under my real name on the internet.

    While on patent law issues I often agree with you, we are miles apart (respectfully) on the issue of which side has been addressing fairly the other side’s arguments in the AGW debate. Proponents of AGW have sites like realclimate.com which address pretty much every argument the anti-AGW side raises while the best the anti-side has is, well, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the theory of American “Exceptionalism”.

    Even if you don’t believe in AGW, do you believe it is sustainable for an exponentially growing human population to keep dumping all manner of unchecked toxic gases into the atmosphere, to keep fishing with unchecked efficiencies all the fisheries of the Earth’s oceans, to keep extracting unending quantities of crude oil and other “commodities” from beneath ground and deep water?

    Yes, we could also argue here about which end of the egg (big or small) is the proper one to open one’s breakfast egg on and whether it should be poached or hard boiled. But in each case we are often poorly educated on the topic and talking out of the position of having just barely enough knowledge on the topic so as to be dangerous.

    So getting back to the topic we are more equipped to discuss knowledgeably, irrespective of whether the AGW model is correct or not, we should ask if mankind can continue forever to strip mine one mountain top after the next for coal and other resources or should we have a public policy that realizes a day of reckoning will come and we better start doing something about it now and can we use the patent system to foster the development of alternative ways of life (e.g. aletrnative energies)? (Whew, that was a long winded question.)

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    scrappy
    November 16, 2009 12:19 pm

    Gene, I believe the global warming crowd no longer calls it “global warming” – now it’s called “climate change.”

    Brrrrrr….

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    November 16, 2009 10:09 am

    Frank-

    I agree with you in principle, but in practice I have a hard time accepting this. Logically we should always give consideration to opposing views, but those who are advocates of global warming have never done that, so why would we give any consideration to their views as this point? They have had the stage for several decades and vilified anyone who dared to disagree. Yes, there are those who believe in global warming, but as more and more evidence comes to light it is really impossible to give any weight to what is now at best a seriously flawed hypothesis.

    For a long time I have believed global warming was incorrect because those who advocated it simply refused to even consider scientific and historical fact that called it into question, or at least would have forced some kind of revision to keep it intellectually honest. There are no doubt climate changes occurring, but because the global warming believers who typically are on the left and in control of academia have done everything in their power to stop a real debate we are left without any answers today. This crowd is no different than those who vilified scientists in the past for their theories, and worse they have forced the world to cling to what is obviously a flawed hypothesis and not explore answers to the problems we face. In fact, the global warming political correctness has done extreme damage to us all and caused respected scientists to not pursue alternative theories and answers.

    I agree that the world is worth thinking about, I lament the fact that global warming advocates have not seen it that way. Now that their hypothesis is shattering they change the rhetoric to “climate change” and still want to force their agenda despite the science and despite the history. Truly sad.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Frank Busse]
    Frank Busse
    November 16, 2009 12:39 am

    Gene:

    You are certainly right in that mankind influencing climate is a questionable theory – and that we should refrain from panicking and founding our todays and future decisions on this theory, only. Panic never is a good advisor, how hard the consequences of our decisions ever might be.

    However, matter of factly, there is also a number of highly respected scientists following and supporting this theory. We should evenly refrain from ignoring this fact, believing in the one and only truth of those others who doubt this theory and founding our todays and future decisions on this faith.

    Our world is worth thinking about – and discussing without religious fervor – both parties’ arguments.