Obviously Non-Obvious: Pay Congress from Surplus

Over the last several days I was in Northwest Ohio, where I spoke at the University of Toledo College of Law and at Ohio Northern University College of Law; discussing with patent law students the patent bar exam, the PLI patent bar review course, resumes that work and careers in patent law.  During the 2001/2002 academic year I was a Visiting Professor at UT College of Law, so I still have a number of friends up there on the faculty, so a good time was had by all.  But one of the conversations I had with my friend John Barrett, Associate Professor of Law at UT College of Law, got my wheels spinning and reminding me that it has been a while since I wrote about obviously unpatentable but yet patentable inventions (see College Football Playoff System and Method to Spur the Economy by Cutting Taxes).  John and I frequently talk politics, and not sharing identical politics our conversations are always lively and entertaining.  But one thing we are definitely in agreement with is that the spending in Washington DC needs to stop, and John proposed what I believe is a brilliant solution!

John is a business attorney and he teaches all kinds of business law classes, so he is always thinking about matters from a business perspective.  As our conversation turned to the financial problems the United States government is facing John said in a straight forward way: “I know what would solve the spending problem once and for all.  Congress should be paid out of the surplus left at the end of the year, just like a small business.  If nothing is left then they don’t get paid.  That would fix DC.”  What a brilliant idea, and one that obviously is non-obvious because the best and brightest minds in Washington, DC would have certainly come up with such a simplistic method to prevent Congress from further destroying America.

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As our conversation progressed I probed further, because the idea that Congress wouldn’t get paid is really an intriguing one if you ask me.  After all, if we were to pay for performance those in DC would be working for free or paying us for the privilege of holding down a job.  Nevertheless, what would stop Congress from simply borrowing money from the Chinese or Japanese to cook the books and show a surplus when one really doesn’t exist.  To this John responded in his typical matter-of-fact manner: “Debt doesn’t count.  Revenue must exceed expenses to be paid.”  He then went on to say: “In order for Congress to get paid there needs to be cash in the til, and Congress should be personally liable for any excess distributions.”

What a wonderful idea!  Government running just like a small business would run.  Everyone who owns a business knows that the owners are the last ones to get paid, and after everyone else is paid if there is anything left over that is what remains for you.  So treating Congress in the same manner seems perfectly brilliant, and obviously patentable and non-obvious because it seems to me that most of those in Congress have forgotten what it is like to live in a world where they laws they pass affect them.  So it is about time that responsible government be put back in place and what better way than to start with sound fiscally responsible policies.

This idea of revenue in exceeding revenue out is really not one that is in and of itself patentable though.  Families and small businesses live with that reality every day of every week of every month of every year.  So there will likely need to be some kind of a hook in whatever claims we write to make sure that we distinguish over the common sense prior art established by hard-working individuals who are the backbone of this Nation and who know that you simply cannot continue to spend more than you bring in.  As our President is fond of saying — when you are in a hole you need to put down the shovel.  That is common sense for individuals, families and small businesses, but seemingly incomprehensible when it comes to government — and that will be the patentability hook no doubt.

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Here is an example of a claim that would read on the prior art:

1. A fiscally responsible method of not going bankrupt comprising:

(a) taking in a certain sum of money over a predetermined time frame; and

(b) spending less than said certain sum of money over said predetermined time frame.

To explain, this would clearly be within the prior art because fiscally responsible individuals do not spend more money than the bring in, so there will easily be examples of this in practice for far more than 12 months, thus this claim would not be patentable under 102(b).  But what if we change the claim slightly to read:

1. A fiscally responsible method for a government to not go bankrupt comprising:

(a) taking in a certain sum of money over a predetermined time frame; and

(b) spending less than said certain sum of money over said predetermined time frame.

First, we would have to argue that the preamble term “a government” has meaning in order to distinguish the claim over the prior art, which is certainly easy enough to do during the prosecution of the application, and what Judge Dyk would rather have the preamble rule be anyway.  But the insertion of the term “a government” is still not likely to overcome the prior art since, for example, US State governments must have balanced budgets at the end of the year.  Now I know that for some States the balancing is only as a result of a handout, or “stimulus” provided by the federal government, but I still have my doubts this claim would be patentable.

What if we further modified the claim to read:

1. A fiscally responsible method for the United States government to not go bankrupt comprising:

(a) Congress taking in a certain sum of money over a predetermined time frame; and

(b) Congress spending less than said certain sum of money over said predetermined time frame.

Now I think we are on to something!  This has to distinguish over the prior art because the United States Congress seems constitutionally incapable of spending less money than they take in, so there would seem to be no prior art available under 35 USC 102.  The question would then become whether the claim is obvious, and the test of obviousness post KSR v. Teleflex is one of common sense.  You may be tempted to say that is easy, Congress has no common sense, but that is not exactly the type of common sense test that the Supreme Court had in mind.  The question is whether one of skill in the art would see the claimed invention as being common sense.

Even if you are tempted to think that one of skill in the art, who is likely a legislator, would think it is common sense to spend less money than is taken in, allow me to remind you that even if you do think it is common sense there are those secondary considerations to consider.  Secondary considerations are a reality check on obviousness.  Basically they are there to check to make sure it is intellectually honest to claim something is obvious.  So one of the best secondary considerations to have on your side as an applicant is a long felt yet unresolved need.  In other words, if the problem has existed for a very long time and no solution was forthcoming how could anyone claim that the solution is obvious in any intellectually honest way?

Well, if you ask me one of skill in the art, a hypothetical legislator, would hardly even think about spending less than is taken in.  Perhaps Congressman Paul Ryan and few spending hawks might, I’ll give you that.  But my assessment is that the long felt unresolved need of a fiscally responsible Congress would render the method invention of Professor John Barrett patentable over the prior art.

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  • [Avatar for patent litigation]
    patent litigation
    September 27, 2010 05:09 pm

    I love this idea. It’s certainly inconsistent to hold the members of Congress to a fiscal standard that is completely different from the standard expected of other Americans, whether business owners or full-time employees. I say: find a way around the machine-or-transformation test, and get it done.
    http://www.aminn.org/webcast-aipr-patent-reform-presentation-us-patent-and-trademark-office

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 24, 2010 04:24 pm

    Blind-

    Yes, I know there were reasons the Articles of Confederation didn’t work and did fail miserably and quickly. It was quite a weak form of federal government, which is why I suggested that it wasn’t looking so bad at the moment.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Blind Dogma]
    Blind Dogma
    September 24, 2010 07:08 am

    Right about now the Articles of Confederation aren’t looking so bad,

    Gene,

    There are reasons that system failed so miserably and so fast.

    Step,

    IANAE got the gist – perhaps the paper cup blocked your view? (or perhaps your own dogma’s have arisen)

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    September 23, 2010 08:35 pm

    Gene,

    The fault lies not only in our star and celebrity-like politicians, but also in ourselves and how we think (or not) and how we allow our thinking to be manipulated by the star power of our celebrity politicians and their attendant entourages of pundits.

    We should repeatedly ask whether perchance the Emperor still wears no clothes (of rationality).

    ____________________
    We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming and Patent Office critiquing.

    p.s. BD, have you tried the new persimmon and huckleberry combo flavored Kool Aid? It really rocks you into that Tombstone. 😉

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 23, 2010 06:09 pm

    OK. It seems we are finally starting to find agreement between all of the factions! There is plenty of blame to go around. It seems politicians in general are to blame regardless of party affiliation. If you ask me, spending is the great evil, and that goes up when the Rs are in power and when the Ds are in power. R&D is usually a worthwhile investment, but when R&D relates to Republican and Democrat I think the calculus significantly changes.

    I love what IANAE writes about the party causing the problems being the Democrats, but check back in a couple months. Genius! That is, I think, why over the last two years so many who normally about not get engaged have become engaged.

    Right about now the Articles of Confederation aren’t looking so bad, or a Constitution that really leaves power for the States. At least that way you could escape the nonsense if you really wanted to go mobile.

    Cheers everyone.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for IANAE]
    IANAE
    September 23, 2010 04:59 pm

    Wasn’t it Albert Einstein who said the height of insanity is to keep doing the things that got you into a mess and to expect a different result?

    I don’t think BD wanted both parties to keep doing the same things that got us into this mess. It was probably more of a recognition that it only takes one party to prevent us from getting out of this mess. Right now, that party is the Democrats, but check back in a couple months.

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    September 23, 2010 04:24 pm

    and we are going to need both parties to get us out [of this mess]

    Bravo BD !

    You finally drank your own Kool Aid.
    It is self evident. 🙂

    Wasn’t it Albert Einstein who said the height of insanity is to keep doing the things that got you into a mess and to expect a different result?

    But that’s what drinking the product does to your head. So certainly we cannot fling the “blame” thing in your direction because it’s the Kool Aid that made you think that way. You weren’t in your right mind. (You were in your left behind mind.)
    ______________
    ** Interpretation of the last 3 words depends on where you place the pauses, emphasis and where you point to as you read it out loud. To each his own.

  • [Avatar for Blind Dogma]
    Blind Dogma
    September 23, 2010 03:51 pm

    It’s quite simple – there is enough “blame” to go around for everyone.

    Now then, how do we go about fixing this? What kind of answers can we realisictically put in place for the manufacturing that is not coming back? Or do we create new and different manufacturing models that best work here (in recognition of, not in spite of, the driving cost factors)? How do we break the chain of R&D following manufacturing?

    As we do this, we must keep in mind that even thuogh corporations may have gained a free speech right, that corporations are not directly citizens. Perhaps that is an angle of attack – tieing rights to duties of citizenship – making multinationals commit to a single citizenship (rather than allowing globe trotting flitting about) in order to receive rights. Perhaps radical, but what about outlawing owning US property by none-US citizens?

    I am afraid that we needed both parties to get us into this mess and that we are going to need both parties to get us out.

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 23, 2010 03:18 pm

    “I think the laissez-faire attitude of the Bush administration towards regulating the capital markets was a significant factor for the recession.”

    I suppose you would then also agree that the laissez-faire attitude of Congressman Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd were also a major factor, correct? After all, Barney Frank proclaimed over and over again that Fannie and Freddie were sound and those in the Bush Administration sounding the alarm were trying to unfairly and incorrectly criticize two good, solid companies.

    Seems as if Barney Frank is more to blame than anyone for running interference for Fannie and Freddie and ridiculing Republicans who sought to do something before it was too late.

    -Gene

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    Just visiting
    September 23, 2010 02:59 pm

    “There is a war on terror around the globe, and here at home. Please wake up.”
    Don’t insult my intelligence or my awareness of the world around me. Stop working with the Rush and Glenn playbook and do some of your own critical thinking.

    “So please do explain revenue from 2006-2008 at a time when we had such irresponsible tax cuts.”
    GDP growth/inflation/increase in government spending? Not a hard question. Over any extended period of time, revenues are going to grow based upon GDP growth and inflation alone. Also, anytime the government spends more, there will be more tax revenue. For FY2000, the amount of government outlays was $1.789T, a record at that time. For FY2008, the amount of government outlays was 2.982T. That is an increase of 67% over an 8 year period. Where was the Tea Party then?

    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/hist.html

    “This is all so interesting given that the deepest part of the recession was during the 2006-2008 time frame.”
    Interesting, GDP for 2005-2008, respectively, was 3.1, 2.7, 1.9, and 0.0. Not exactly robust numbers but certainly no “deepest part of the recession.” Maybe you need to work on your numbers.

    http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=1&FirstYear=2009&LastYear=2010&Freq=Qtr

    “Seems pretty clear that the Bush tax cuts are not to blame and Obama’s anti-business policies are to blame.”
    What, pray tell, are those policies and when did they go into effect? Perhaps you want to also put forth an explanation as to why a particular policy would cause decreased tax revenues.

    “It is clear beyond any doubt that the Bush tax credits spurred the economy.” No sh*t Sherlock. Anytime you pump more money into the system, the economy is going to be spurred. The same thing happens when you have increased government spending. This now gets us back to my opening point about the failures of large organizations – both private and governmental. FYI – try remember that the NORMAL business cycle has ups and downs that happen without any government intervention (either by increased spending or decreased taxes). Therefore, only somebody with an agenda is going to ignore that a better economy may not have been mostly the result of certain tax policy changes but instead because of many other environmental factors.

    The whole fiscal irresponsibility issue is just a big ruse. Again, fiscal responsibility is a 2 input equation (receipts and outlays). I find it quite disingenuous to have people up in arms over increased spending when they sat on their hands during the W administration. The end result is the same … record deficits.

    “I think that means the Bush tax cuts are not to blame.”
    I think the laissez-faire attitude of the Bush administration towards regulating the capital markets was a significant factor for the recession.

  • [Avatar for IANAE]
    IANAE
    September 23, 2010 12:03 pm

    So please do explain revenue from 2006-2008 at a time when we had such irresponsible tax cuts. I would also love for you to explain why the Bush tax cuts only seem to have caused significant backward movement only AFTER President Obama took Office.

    There was also the irresponsible financial deregulation and the irresponsible spending of irresponsibly-borrowed money. Which started ending of its own accord in late 2008, you may recall, right around the time your numbers start their downward turn.

    It is clear beyond any doubt that the Bush tax credits spurred the economy and that despite the recession ending individuals and businesses are scared enough about the Obama agenda that everyone is holding onto their money and/or paying down debt.

    The main reason people are holding on to what little money they have left and paying down debt is because they can still remember when they did the opposite of that and it failed spectacularly. Give them a few years, which may or may not coincide with an administration change, and people will be freely lending, borrowing, and spending as if nothing could possibly ever go wrong.

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 23, 2010 11:45 am

    JV-

    First, the “war on terror” was not code for anything. If you haven’t noticed you should look. There is a war on terror around the globe, and here at home. Please wake up.

    Second, it is extremely convenient how you play with the numbers relating to net incoming monies to the federal government. You focus on the first Bush term and then conveniently ignore the second Bush term when the net incoming monies skyrocketed all while we were still having the benefit of the Bush tax cuts, which as a matter of fact and reality lead to the federal government taking in more money. So you chose to focus on years that the economy was struggling as the result of a horrible domestic terror attack. You are being dishonest. So why don’t we inject facts into the debate. I will LOVE to see you argue how the Bush tax cuts have cause the problems when you are actually faced with REAL numbers.

    In 2000 the federal government took in $2.025 trillion
    In 2001 the federal government took in $1.991 trillion
    In 2002 the federal government took in $1.853 trillion
    In 2003 the federal government took in $1.782 trillion
    In 2004 the federal government took in $1.880 trillion
    In 2005 the federal government took in $2.153 trillion
    In 2006 the federal government took in $2.406 trillion
    In 2007 the federal government took in $2.568 trillion
    In 2008 the federal government took in $2.524 trillion
    In 2009 the federal government took in $2.105 trillion

    So please do explain revenue from 2006-2008 at a time when we had such irresponsible tax cuts. I would also love for you to explain why the Bush tax cuts only seem to have caused significant backward movement only AFTER President Obama took Office. Seems pretty clear that the Bush tax cuts are not to blame and Obama’s anti-business policies are to blame. This is all so interesting given that the deepest part of the recession was during the 2006-2008 time frame, and according to experts the recession was over in 2009, yet revenues were significantly lower.

    It is clear beyond any doubt that the Bush tax credits spurred the economy and that despite the recession ending individuals and businesses are scared enough about the Obama agenda that everyone is holding onto their money and/or paying down debt. So the Bush tax cuts didn’t cause any drop in revenue until Obama became President. I think that means the Bush tax cuts are not to blame.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Blind Dogma]
    Blind Dogma
    September 23, 2010 07:40 am

    I will put aside the Kool Aid for the present crowd and (at an appropriate hour – much much too early for me at this point) break out special drafts of favorite brew for each of the participants. Unfortunately, it will be a metaphysical toast, as like all good super heroes (Gene excepted) our secret identities must be protected.

    As for the music, I might fancy some Wagner, for the over the top melodramatic effect.

  • [Avatar for Just visiting]
    Just visiting
    September 22, 2010 10:53 pm

    “And in case you forgot we were attacked on September 11, 2001. We didn’t chose the war, the war was chosen for us.”

    The quintessential retort to all negative comments about the W administration – 9/11. FYI, pun unintentional but subsequently embraced.

    In case you forgot, we were talking financial discipline. Our country was paying down its debts. We were running a surplus. Sure, things were going swimmingly well for quite some time, but what happened to the time-worn advice of all financial planners – that of a “rainy day fund”? Between 1993-2000, the poor were doing somewhat better and the rich were making out very well, despite the tax rates at the time.

    Not touching the surplus was the responsible thing to do because any study of economics recognize that business runs in cycles and it would be better to have some cushion (i.e., rainy day fund) when the hard times come (and they invariably come) than it is to give away the hard fought for cushion.

    “the war on terror is not a choice.”
    I assume this is code for the war on Iraq because the war in Afghanistan is THE war on terror yet you mentioned them separately… and btw, it certainly was a choice. There are plenty of idiot despots in this world with whom we can wage war. However, for the most part, we have bottled them up, imposed serious sanctions of them, and made it very difficult for any of them to do the US any serious damage. Put another way, we have chosen not go to war with them despite the idiot despots they are, but instead we have chosen other means to deal with them. This was a policy we had been following in Iraq for quite some time before a choice was made by the W administration to go to war.

    “You should also remember that revenue into the federal government INCREASED as a result of the Bush tax cuts.”
    Federal Tax receipts were at $2.025T for FY2000. It wasn’t until FY2005 until that number was exceeded (i.e., all the intervening years were lower than FY2000). Not too good considering that inflation was averaging about 2.75% over that period. As another FYI, tax receipts dropped every year for 3 years straight after FY2000, so I’m not sure where you are getting your facts.

    “Expecting an equilibrium is not unreasonable regardless of the size of government.”
    I don’t have a problem with that, but as I said before, there are two variables in the equilibrium equation – inputs and outputs.

  • [Avatar for Just visiting]
    Just visiting
    September 22, 2010 10:11 pm

    “If it were not for the unemployment checks, I don’t know where we would be; probably on the streets with many other foreclosed on and unfortunate families.”

    Amen brother. Unemployment checks bridged the gap for me between when my engineering position for a defense contractor got contracted to when I stared law school. If it wasn’t for those, I very likely wouldn’t have become a patent attorney and subsequently be one of the privileged few to be in the 35% tax bracket.

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    September 22, 2010 09:35 pm

    Once they [the unemployment checks] start coming in it is quite easy to stay on the rolls, just submitting the basic paperwork necessary to collect a check.

    Woe-ha on that one Gene.

    I take personal offense from that one.
    My wife is unemployed. She has been unemployed for well over a year.
    She is bored sick out of her mind without work and looks diligently every day for jobs.
    There are none.
    If it were not for the unemployment checks, I don’t know where we would be; probably on the streets with many other foreclosed on and unfortunate families.

    BTW, did you see the latest “little” scandal about the foreclosure process:
    How Ally Financial “Robo-Signed” People’s Homes Away
    link= http://www.bnet.com/blog/financial-business/how-ally-financial-8220robo-signed-8221-people-8217s-homes-away/7652

    There are people with a given ideology that assume the worst about other folk and the best about themselves

    It is an interesting view of the world.
    But also a very sick and self-centered one.

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 09:03 pm

    “In case you have forgotten, we were running a surplus before W took office.”

    And in case you forgot we were attacked on September 11, 2001. We didn’t chose the war, the war was chosen for us. So I am really sick of hearing about how the wars were not paid for. Afghanistan was not a choice, the war on terror is not a choice, and with everyone in the civilized world believing a mad-man had weapons of mass destruction it would have been a mistake not to act. It turned out not to be the case, but hindsight doesn’t justify doing nothing in the face of every intelligence agency saying he had those weapons.

    You should also remember that revenue into the federal government INCREASED as a result of the Bush tax cuts. That little reality is a hard one to cope with I know, because just like other times when tax rates were lowered revenues increased. It doesn’t make sense, it just happens. Darn reality!

    Spending is the problem in DC and it is a problem for both parties. It can be reasonable to have a running debt, but not one that cannot be paid off. It is only responsible to make choices. Unfortunately, it seems the choices that are being made now are leading to less revenue intake while we are spending more and more. There must be an equilibrium. Expecting an equilibrium is not unreasonable regardless of the size of government.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 08:57 pm

    Step-

    Thanks SOOOOO much for that happy news. I can’t say that any of it is surprising given what I have been reading and hearing. I have heard that the real unemployment rate is closer to 21% to 22%, but I think when I have heard that it also includes those who are under employed, such as working part-time but wanting full time positions. 17% seems about right when you factor those on unemployment and those who gave up looking.

    On a side note, years ago someone in my family lost their job and was unemployed for a couple months and collected unemployment benefits. Once they start coming in it is quite easy to stay on the rolls, just submitting the basic paperwork necessary to collect a check. With it being so easy to continue to get at least some money once you are on the unemployment rolls it is a special kind of despair for someone who still qualifies to receive a check to fall out. I know it happens and it is truly sad.

    Anyway, so much has gone wrong to get us here. I just hope that in our little universe the Patent Office can continue to work the backlog and play a role in creating assets that will attract investment and result in job creation.

    -Gene

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    Just visiting
    September 22, 2010 08:36 pm

    “Sorry to see that you don’t understand the importance of spending. It is also sad to see that you are poking fun at the Tea Parties. I guess I didn’t realize you were an elite know it all.”

    I was as a Reagan Republican back in the 80s. However, once I got some experience in life, learned something about economics and big business, I realized how misplaced my thinking was (i.e., I drank the Kool Aid). As for poking fun at the Tea Party, it is pretty easy to do. Not as much fun as poking fun at the likes of Bob Barr – he was certainly a Republican one could love to ha-te. Anyway, this isn’t the first time I’ve expressed my disagreeing opinions with you regarding politics.

    “You and Blind are simply incorrect. There is no reason a large entity can’t bring in more than the spend.” Neither of us said that.

    “It is fiscally irresponsible and it is morally and ethically irresponsible to spend trillions more than is brought in.” I somewhat agree. However, I didn’t see the Tea Party in the streets when W proposed all those tax cuts – there are two parts to equation: (i) income and (ii) expenses. In case you have forgotten, we were running a surplus before W took office.

    Some people think that tax expenditures are somehow a drain on the economy. Where do they think that money goes? Down some black hole, never to be seen again? Based upon FY2010 numbers, $677B went to social security. I’m sure a certain percentage of that went to funding the people that administer the money (actually I noticed that there is a line item for $9.7B for the SS Administration), but I imagine the vast percentage of it went to Americans, who then spent that money on food, health care, rent, utilities, and gifts for their grand-children, among others. My guess, again (because I don’t have the numbers in front of me) is that most of that money got spent in the U.S. and with U.S. companies.

    $453M went to Medicare and $290M went to Medicaid. Again, I would wager that the vast amount of that money went directly to U.S. healthcare providers. $663B went to the Department of Defense, who spent the money on our troops but mostly with U.S. defense contractors. What is sad is that of the $3.55T budget, only $26.3B went to the department of energy and $7B went to NSF. These are the two agencies most likely to be forward-looking (as opposed to reactionary) with the big problems facing our country and they got 1% of the budget.

    All this gets back to my original point about the difference between big business and government – they both have their efficiencies and inefficiencies. Regardless, jobs are created when either big business or government spends money.

    Debt as a percentage of GDP is not as important as debt as a percentage of assets, and the U.S. Federal Government has a lot of assets to work with. Funny though, when W was in office, I recall conservative economic commentators arguing that running deficits were OK because of the amount of assets held by the Federal Government.

    As an aside, you haven’t indicated that type of accounting method you are going to base your calculations on: accrual or cash based. There is a huge difference between the two. Also, it is another technique that the politicians (of all persuasions) use to misinform the electorate as to what is really going on in their fiscal house.

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    step back
    September 22, 2010 06:29 pm

    Blind-

    I would pick the theme song from Shoot Out at the Everything’s A-OK Corral

    You know

    At the point where Doc Holliday says “I’ll be your huckleberry”

    Link= http://home.earthlink.net/~knuthco1/Itemsofinterest1/huckleberrysource.htm

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    step back
    September 22, 2010 06:25 pm

    Gene-

    All kidding aside, if you want to get sober and stop drinking the Kool Aid, you might want to play catch up on some of the stuff posted over at the Automatic_Earth.

    Here is a recent snippet:

    Despite the trillions added to our Treasury and Fed’s balance sheets in 2008-09, the 2010 Q2 GDP number is anemic (1.6%) even when it can be trusted as accurate. Most of the ever-optimistic (and late-to-reality) American investment banks have significantly revised their estimates for 2010 H2 GDP down to around 2%, while most serious analysts agree it will be closer to a negative print. Existing and New Homes sales in July 2010 have experienced record declines in the absence of government subsidies (~27% and ~35%).

    Unemployment remains significantly higher than reported, as U-6 hovers at 17% and shows no signs of improving (includes workers who have given up looking for jobs – can we blame them when there are 5 workers for every job?). Close to 40 million Americans are on food stamps, 5 million on emergency unemployment benefits and 500,000 recently filed initial jobless claims in one week.

    Link= http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/09/september-19-2010-debt-saturation-and.html

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 06:18 pm

    Blind-

    You say: “Getting cute with the cut-downs will be a losing battle for you. If you want that dance, play the music.”

    I would love to take you up on that battle, because I think it would be a good one and one I doubt I would lose. It would likely be fun to watch in a car wreck sort of way for others, but you are right. That type of cut-down should be reserved for others or not used at all. My bad.

    But for the record, what music would you queue up? Devil went down to Georgia? Dueling banjos? The theme from Rocky?

    -Gene

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    step back
    September 22, 2010 06:11 pm

    Blinded by the Dogma,

    The consuming masses MUST ( I repeat, must) come to believe that you and I did indeed drink the Kool Aid and that we were resurrected and we came back from that other world for the soul purpose of bringing the good news to them that they are loved and that a more wonderful existence awaits them on the other side for a mere $10.99 plus shipping and handling.

    Do you think we should add to our marketing pitch the insinuation that, upon arrival at the “destination”, each Kool Aid drinker will get a free $1 Trillion in addition to the 72 virgins? (All elderly Catholic school nuns, of course, hee hee.)

    Maybe that will help move the product.
    And after all, snapping one’s fingers to create another $1 Trillion out of thin air isn’t really the hard hard work that the Shrub used to complain about. Why even a loud Kenyan can do it.

    Alas, marketing is such an unappreciated art form. Only you and I truly understand. Sigh.
    Let’s toast to that.
    (And please use the actual product this time. I didn’t like crossing over on my own last time around.)

    ______________________
    Drink the Dogma Brand Kool Aid ™. It’s got electrolytes! (c)
    (Active ingredients are covered by numerous issued provisional patents.)

  • [Avatar for Blind Dogma]
    Blind Dogma
    September 22, 2010 05:06 pm

    Step – ex?

    Would I pitch a product that I don’t imbibe in?

    (Well, yes – but that doesn’t make as good marketing copy now does it?)

  • [Avatar for Blind Dogma]
    Blind Dogma
    September 22, 2010 05:02 pm

    The federal government bringing in more money than it spends

    That is (clearly) not the idea that is poorly thought out – once again, I must counsel you to look to the gist of my post – the poorly thought idea is the correlation – let’s keep it real (and focused onwhat I am actually saying – not on what you want to argue about).

    As for “I apologize if you don’t understand that basic financial reality.
    “, based on your post here, my understanding of this art field far outshines your understanding and quick jumping. Getting cute with the cut-downs will be a losing battle for you. If you want that dance, play the music.

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    September 22, 2010 03:23 pm

    Step-
    … You are being ridiculous. Obviously you haven’t given much consideration about what it means to … over spend … by more than a trillion dollars [in] a year.

    Au’ contrare (sp?) Mesre. Gene

    I have given it much thought and consideration.

    You may be surprised to learn that I fully agree that the Obama administration has brought $1 TRILLION of “money” into existence out of thin air and with a snap of the Federal middle finger slipping swiftly against its fiscally irresponsible and opposed digit.

    But that sir, is how ALL money is created –completely out of thin air. It has always been so.

    But before going on Gene, I gotta give you kudos for having the moxie to hang your real personal name out here on the Internet and to let your raw emotional outbursts show from time to time. The emotional outbursts show you to be a real human being –unlike myself and BD who are ex-Kool Aid drinkers and skeptics who haunt your site after having come back from a stint in the after world. 😉

    Also, kudos on the nice graphics you pay for and post with each new article. That picture of a grayish nobody moving gold coinage about from one pile to a higher and deeper pile is priceless.

    Now, with all that a$$-ki$$ing stuff off the table, let us consider the era of the dinosaurs.

    Realize that there was NO MONEY in existence back then.

    Today we have trillions and TRILLIONS of units of that stuff floating around just in the USA alone and not counting the gazillions of Euros in the European Economic Union and the rupees and the … etc.

    Guess what? It all came into existence out of thin air. The government makes it instantly appear and instantly disappear every day. Not only “them”. You and I do the same thing on a daily basis. (Well, maybe you are more fiscally prudent than I and you don’t whip the plastic out every day as I do.)

    But that is pretty much it.
    Every time somebody (anybody!) promises to pay and the promise is accepted, money is magically created out of thin air. It’s what we human beings have been doing since the dawn of …. err, well not of time, but certainly since the dawn of banking.

  • [Avatar for American Cowboy]
    American Cowboy
    September 22, 2010 02:28 pm

    I left out: “too big for his britches”

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    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 02:18 pm

    AC-

    I agree. I personally think “too big to fail” means “too big to exist.”

    -Gene

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    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 02:04 pm

    Blind-

    An obviously poorly thought out idea? Really? The federal government bringing in more money than it spends so there is a surplus is a poorly thought out idea? Now that is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

    I am the one keeping it real. Obviously there are economies of scale and size matters in efficiency, but there is absolutely NO reason why an entity should be allow to spend more than they bring in indefinitely. Out spending revenue by a trillion dollars a year is a problem. I apologize if you don’t understand that basic financial reality.

    -Gene

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    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 02:01 pm

    Step-

    Let’s be clear. You are being ridiculous. Obviously you haven’t given much consideration about what it means to be fiscally responsible and how it is damn near criminal to over spend revenue in by more than a trillion dollars a year. Wake up.

    -Gene

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    American Cowboy
    September 22, 2010 01:45 pm

    Too big to be efficient? Too big to fail? Too damned big?

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    September 22, 2010 01:32 pm

    Step-
    I really have no idea what you are talking about.

    I suspect that is how Bobby feels when we ‘patent’ folk pontificate to him about ‘patents’ and about ‘software’.

    Let me just say this: I am not surprised you don’t understand.

    It is probable (but I don’t know for sure) that you have not spent a great deal of time introspectively analyzing what “money” is. Otherwise you would not so glibly toss the word “money” about as if it obeys the laws of conservation of physical mass and of unique existence along the one way arrow of time. 🙂

  • [Avatar for Blind Dogma]
    Blind Dogma
    September 22, 2010 01:25 pm

    Are you saying that it is unrealistic to require Congress to bring in more in revenue than they spend?

    Gene,

    This is clearly not what I am saying. Perhaps you need to read my comments a llittle more closely. Since when did you have infusion of straw?

    And contrary to your point – and as well put by JV – size very much has something a great deal to do with it. As you are want to say, “Stay real.” The explicit point in my message was one of correlation. How did you miss that?

    By the way, going bankrupt is an obvious non sequitur, as we all know, small businesses also go bankrupt.

    I am confused by your eagerness to defend an obviously poorly thought out idea. I would suggest that you contemplate the “Google briefly punishes Oracle’ debacle for some reminders of the wisdom of restraint.

  • [Avatar for IANAE]
    IANAE
    September 22, 2010 01:17 pm

    Small businesses and families operate by taking in more money than they spend and there is absolutely NO reason the federal government can’t do the same.

    Actually, it’s quite common for small businesses and families to carry a substantial amount of debt.

    Fiscally irresponsible? That depends on the circumstances.

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 01:10 pm

    JV-

    Sorry to see that you don’t understand the importance of spending. It is also sad to see that you are poking fun at the Tea Parties. I guess I didn’t realize you were an elite know it all.

    You and Blind are simply incorrect. There is no reason a large entity can’t bring in more than the spend. It is fiscally irresponsible and it is morally and ethically irresponsible to spend trillions more than is brought in. Obviously you two are unfamiliar with what happened in Greece and how our debt as a percentage of GDP is heading toward the Greece tipping point. You two really should try and stay better versed in current events.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 01:06 pm

    Blind-

    Are you saying that it is unrealistic to require Congress to bring in more in revenue than they spend? If that is what you are saying it is obviously incorrect.

    Size has nothing to do with this whatsoever. It is about fiscal responsibility. Large companies bring in more money than they spend and return it to investors or re-invest in the company or give employees bonuses. If a large company is in the red for too long it goes bankrupt. So to pretend that size means that it is unrealistic for Congress to operate in a fiscally responsible way is akin to making excuses for the drunk in the family.

    -Gene

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 22, 2010 01:02 pm

    Step-

    I really have no idea what you are talking about. It seems as if you are saying that there is no way to have a certain sum of money left over at the end of the year. If that is what you are saying then you are dead wrong, and I am pretty sure you know that. Small businesses and families operate by taking in more money than they spend and there is absolutely NO reason the federal government can’t do the same. For you to argue that this statement is political or incorrect is simply ignorant.

    -Gene

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    just another intern
    September 22, 2010 12:08 pm

    Economics aside, I think that the federal government has, some years, actually taken in more money than they spent, most recently in the economic boom (or bubble, I’m not going to get into that argument) of the 90’s. One chart I found is on scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3015540/US-Budget-Deficit-or-Surplus-1960present where blue lines represent years in which this occurred.

    Since this is publicly available information from the CBO, I submit that your invention would not be novel.

    Also, even if it were patented, the patent wouldn’t be particularly helpful. After all, threatening to sue the govt for infringement if they ever do manage to balance the budget seems counterintuitive. Not that it seems likely that they will ever practice the invention as described anyhow. 😉

  • [Avatar for Just visiting]
    Just visiting
    September 22, 2010 10:23 am

    Blind Dogma — good points.

    It appears that Gene, again, got the itch to infuse some politics into his patent blog. With all the Tea Party primary wins, he must have gotten a little giddy, and had to throw in his 2 cents regarding government spending. Admittedly, he was definitely less heavy-handed about his politics this time around.

    When a company gets larger than X employees (one definition I heard, about 20 years ago, was 300), inefficiencies start to creep in. The same goes with the government. Once a company gets to be of a sufficient size, there is just too much to manage.

    I’ve seen big business (as both an employee of a Dow Industrial listed big company and outside counsel) burn through gobs of shareholder money with little concern. This is simply what happens when any organization gets too big – the people responsible for spending the money don’t treat it like it is their money, because it isn’t. Regardless, I thought the past lessons of Enron, Tyco, etc. would have disabused most people of the notion that business does things better than Government.

    The problem that pervades all organizations of substantial size is that there just isn’t enough quality managers that are capable of infusing a “lean and mean” attitude throughout the organization. Having a great leader just isn’t enough because the message will get diluted as it works its way down the ranks. You need good managers from top to bottom and there just isn’t enough of them.

    As an aside, the reason why big organizations survive is that they are able to offset these inefficiencies based upon efficiencies of scale that aren’t available to smaller organizations.

  • [Avatar for American Cowboy]
    American Cowboy
    September 22, 2010 10:09 am

    Problems abound.

    First, Congress has a monopoly so, it is going to generat monopoly profits for its members. How do they do that? TAX, TAX TAX and don’t spend, don’t spend, don’t spend. While in comparison with what Nancy and Harry want to do that sounds good, in practice it can get pretty bad. No money for the PTO. No money for defense, no money for roads. Social security checks stop. Yes, the bums will get voted out next election, but in the meantime they will share a Megabillion dollar pot, so why should they care?

  • [Avatar for Mark Nowotarski]
    Mark Nowotarski
    September 22, 2010 08:51 am

    Gene,

    Great idea! Let me know when you sue Congress for infringing. I want to come watch.

  • [Avatar for Blind Dogma]
    Blind Dogma
    September 22, 2010 07:10 am

    Congress should be paid out of the surplus left at the end of the year, just like a small business.

    Except, this is an inappropriate correlation.

    Not that the correlation to business is inappropriate, but the size factor is. In no way can the government be confused with a small business. Even patentees being their own lexiconagraphers cannot define “black” as “white” or “large” as “small”.

    Regarding big business, as the list of nouns that follow “golden” can attest, big business has no shortage of means to guarantee that its officers are handsomely rewarded no matter the actual results of the business, and you can be sure that the first order of business is making sure that the top brass are so paid.

    From this appropriate size correlation, one can readily see that the end result of “Congress should be paid out of the surplus left at the end of the year” simply cannot be logically reached.

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    September 22, 2010 06:54 am

    1. A fiscally responsible method of not going bankrupt comprising:

    (a) taking in a certain sum of money over a predetermined time frame; and

    (b) spending less than said certain sum of money over said predetermined time frame.

    @Gene,

    The above is a re-emphasized copy of your proposed method #1.

    You ask me to “come on” –which I assume means I should blindly go along with (go along to get along with) all your ideologies; which sometimes I obstinately decline to do. (Sorry about that.)

    You have a number of well meaning visitors to your site who:

    1) Clearly do not understand what “software” is;
    2) Clearly do not understand what a “patent” is; and
    3) Apparently believe that the rule of double negation applies to their understanding of the term “software patent” wherein the product of (not understanding what “software” is) * (not understanding what “patent” is) results in the positive (+) outcome of (=Clearly understanding what a “software patent” is).

    As a patent attorney, it is clear as the difference between noon and midnight to you that these people are playing around with stuff they know not about.

    Well it’s kind of the same when you (and with due respect sir) start playing around with concepts like “sums certain” of this “money” stuff and the “taking in” of said stuff and the “spending” of said stuff for the purpose of becoming “fiscally responsible”. It’s almost as if you believe that the physical laws of conservation of mass and energy apply to this “money” stuff. OMFG! (Sorry. Couldn’t hold back that deletable expletive.)

    While it is true that so-called “economists” throw the “money” and “responsible” words about much like we toss buzz phrases around here concerning “software” and “patents”, it is also clear that you sir are no economist (just like Bobby is no patent practitioner) and you are casually bouncing around with concepts that are much more complex than we simple-minded patent practitioners are qualified to deal with.

    In other words, while it is quaint (and feels like obvious “common sense”) to believe there is a sum certain amount of “money” left behind at the end of a theoretical “predetermined time frame” and indeed all these words satisfy the grammatical requirements of the English language, at the same time, the combined sum of the words is pure gobbledygook. Let’s stick to our own knitting instead of invading the crazy farm across the street (the economists’ farm).

  • [Avatar for Bobby]
    Bobby
    September 21, 2010 10:09 pm

    Certainly an entertaining article, but I think you are misinterpreting the prior art, so I don’t think you would be able to get your patent. No session of Congress having a balanced budget doesn’t mean that nobody has ever suggested that Congress have a balanced budget. I think a few elected representatives have suggested a balanced budget, possibly even ran on a campaign of one. Furthermore, I don’t think one has to be a practitioner in a field to be considered prior art. If a marine biologist publishes a great insight into electrical engineering, it should still be prior art. Likewise, if an economist, or anyone who understands basic arithmetic, suggests in a public manner that Congress should have a balanced budget, that would seem to be prior art.

  • [Avatar for Gene Quinn]
    Gene Quinn
    September 21, 2010 10:00 pm

    Come on Step! How much money “belongs exclusively to the Federal government”? That is the mentality that has lead to this problem in the first place, with the government thinking all of our money is theirs and they get to decide how much we keep. It is the other way around, but unless we stand up and do something about it we will all be working for the pleasure of the Federal Government.

    What say you?

  • [Avatar for step back]
    step back
    September 21, 2010 09:19 pm

    Gene,

    The problem 😉 with all this happy business talk is that no one has a firm definition on what “money” is is, let alone knowing what amount of “money” is that which belongs exclusively to the Federal government and what amount of “money” is not (i.e. because it is already otherwise spoken for money, e.g. entitlements money).